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Old 07-09-2022, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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How many Billions of dollars that we do not have has Biden handed to Ukraine so far? A responder here is right that Trump wouldn't have just sent money, his response would have been more precise than shoveling money at the problem.



Biden sure doesn't mind throwing Billions of dollars around, and the Left calls the Republicans War Mongers... The bigger question is, if Ukraine should win this war will Biden send them a blank check to rebuild?
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Old 07-09-2022, 06:48 AM
 
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How many Billions of dollars that we do not have has Biden handed to Ukraine so far? A responder here is right that Trump wouldn't have just sent money, his response would have been more precise than shoveling money at the problem.



Biden sure doesn't mind throwing Billions of dollars around, and the Left calls the Republicans War Mongers... The bigger question is, if Ukraine should win this war will Biden send them a blank check to rebuild?
They will certainly need help. But Putin needs to be stopped regardless of cost. It isn’t a favor for Ukraine to help them, it’s to save the free world not just them.
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Old 07-09-2022, 06:55 AM
 
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I think absolutely they would have invaded with Trump president. They’d have had a much easier time because Trump wouldn’t have given the kind of aid to Ukraine that Biden is.
I agree with this.
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Old 07-09-2022, 07:16 AM
 
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Sri Lanka,Turkey,Egypt and most African countries,they cant even afford to buy a piece of bread.
It would get worse come winter,these countries which has no natural gas cant afford to compete with EU for LNG.
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:22 AM
 
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There is no question in my mind that Trump would’ve brokered a deal. But that’s what proper leadership looks like.

As it is now, tens of thousands are dead and Russia is going to eventually take Eastern Ukraine anyway, which they would’ve been satisfied with in a negotiation.

I sort of feel sorry for Ukraine. The Democrats kept “advising” Ukraine to antagonize the Russians, and they did this for years. Then, when Putin had had enough, Biden was quick to wash his hands of the whole mess, except sell weapons systems to Ukraine, which will allow them to hold onto Western Ukraine, which they could’ve done with negotiation in the first place.
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:24 AM
 
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There is no question in my mind that Trump would’ve brokered a deal. But that’s what proper leadership looks like.

As it is now, tens of thousands are dead and Russia is going to eventually take Eastern Ukraine anyway, which they would’ve been satisfied with in a negotiation.

I sort of feel sorry for Ukraine. The Democrats kept “advising” Ukraine to antagonize the Russians, and they did this for years. Then, when Putin had had enough, Biden was quick to wash his hands of the whole mess, except sell weapons systems to Ukraine, which will allow them to hold onto Western Ukraine, which they could’ve done with negotiation in the first place.
Putin is doing this for one reason, his massive ego. He wants to re-create the old Soviet union. It has nothing to do with being antagonized.
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Old 07-09-2022, 03:31 PM
 
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I agree with this.


Biden dithered for months while Russia stockpiled weapons and supplies on the border and then said a minor incursion would be OK.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiMDmtcQEEM


Trump would have armed Ukraine to the teeth before (not after) the invasion.

Trump would have ramped up domestic fuel production before the invasion, not beg the Saudis and Iranians after.

Trump would have made the cost of invading too high and the rewards for taking Ukraine much less.

Trump definitely would not have sold oil from the SPR to China so Hunter could make a nice profit for the Biden crime family.
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Old 07-09-2022, 03:44 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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The poor countries are suffering the most. They really have no food or gas


But everyone must suffer for “the war effort”
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Old 07-09-2022, 04:16 PM
 
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The poor countries are suffering the most. They really have no food or gas


But everyone must suffer for “the war effort”
It's such BS. The only winners are the Biden family with 10% for the Big Guy.
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Old 07-09-2022, 04:32 PM
 
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Putin is doing this for one reason, his massive ego. He wants to re-create the old Soviet union. It has nothing to do with being antagonized.
I disagree. I think the Russians were upset about the whole Donbas conflict, and they were upset with the Ukrainians talking about NATO.

If the goal was to not have a war, you cede Russia the Donbas region, which they are going to get by force anyway, and you assure them that Ukraine will never join NATO.

Some have said that this just kicks the can of war down the road a few years, but for the tens of thousands of dead right now, I’ll bet they’d take a few years right about now.

That’s what diplomacy is. You handle the immediate crisis, with the hope that resolutions can be found later. Once the tanks rolled across the border it was too late.

I firmly believe that most of the Democrats, and some of the establishment Republicans, wanted this proxy war to happen.

We all know Biden’s brain is gone, so I’m assuming Blinken is running foreign policy as he sees fit.

That’s just wonderful, an unelected globalist progressive ideologue has decided unilaterally that we should be in a proxy war with Russia.
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