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Old 07-08-2022, 10:36 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Many pro-lifers apparently do not get what the court decided. They said the reasoning in Roe was wrong and that there is no right to abortion in the Constitution. End of story. That does not mean the Federal gov can not codify one. The authority of the president in executive orders is subject to what is granted or inferred from law. When Democrats are in the White House, with this court, this means that unless the law is very explicit then no, Biden can't do anything. When Republicans are in the White House, the interpretation has been that anything a Republican president wants is OK. So at the end of the day, the court will toss Biden's orders.
We have a do nothing Congress that only passes spending bills.

 
Old 07-08-2022, 10:39 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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They can't and they know they can't. They can only operate within the Fed government themselves.

Biden's handlers know if they go any further it will be sent to the courts.
Which will take time.

In the meantime, until the courts rule on it, Biden's handlers figure they can get lots of votes, promising things they know they can't deliver.
 
Old 07-08-2022, 10:44 AM
 
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Which will take time.

In the meantime, until the courts rule on it, Biden's handlers figure they can get lots of votes, promising things they know they can't deliver.
The OSHA ruling got overturned but not before it created chaos and a lot of lost jobs.
 
Old 07-08-2022, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Isn't it cute how liberals who just lost the debate, try to re-describe the case by leaving out the most important parts of the decision and then command "end of story", trying to shut off debate?

They've been doing that a lot recently.
The decision is pretty much as I said it in a nutshell. You have posted numerous times that the court said the feds may not legalize (or ban) abortion by law. That is factually incorrect. Subsequent cases may rule that way and that would not surprise me given the bias on the court, but this case did not.
 
Old 07-08-2022, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Why write an EO that can be over turned by the next admin and we will be right back in this mess again?



Can someone tell the Democrats that they have the WH, the Senate and the House? Stop blaming Trump, Putin and everything else and get to work. If abortion is this important to them then put a bill together that is bipartisan and get it moving.

I think most of the country agrees on the 15 week threshold and most of the country disagrees on abortion on demand right up to the point of birth unless the baby is going to be still born and cause the woman health problems if she has to carry it full term.



Just do it Dems and STOP Complaining.
 
Old 07-08-2022, 11:00 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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The constitution is clear and even RGB said Roe was a bad ruling. Biden is clearly violating the constitution and you say the USSC and not Biden is out of control?

Hyper partisan?
Biden said as much when the ruling came out. He said his administration would look for ways around the ruling.
 
Old 07-08-2022, 11:02 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Can someone tell the Democrats that they have the WH, the Senate and the House? Stop blaming Trump, Putin and everything else and get to work. If abortion is this important to them then put a bill together that is bipartisan and get it moving.
It will have to be bipartisan, to say the least.

In fact, it will need a 2/3 majority of each house of Congress, followed by 3/4 of the State legislatures.

Until they get that, the Fed govt can have nothing to do with regulating abortion.
 
Old 07-08-2022, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Why write an EO that can be over turned by the next admin and we will be right back in this mess again?



Can someone tell the Democrats that they have the WH, the Senate and the House? Stop blaming Trump, Putin and everything else and get to work. If abortion is this important to them then put a bill together that is bipartisan and get it moving.

I think most of the country agrees on the 15 week threshold and most of the country disagrees on abortion on demand right up to the point of birth unless the baby is going to be still born and cause the woman health problems if she has to carry it full term.



Just do it Dems and STOP Complaining.
There's maybe 53 senate votes for a middle road approach like that. So they would have to dump the filibuster. In the House, I don't know. There are too few moderates in either party at that level. The Dems would see it as too little, the Reps as too much. It's going to end up being state by state. As a local issue it has the power to switch state houses and governorships given the broad-based support for regulated access to abortion.
 
Old 07-08-2022, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Can a Presidential "Executive Order" amend the Constitution?


Just heard on TV that Joe Biden is about to sign an executive order "giving Federal access to abortions", as the newsreader put it. He hasn't done it yet, apparently.

Umm, didn't the Supreme Court just say that they were returning the authority to regulate abortions to the states and the people, as the Constitution requires?

Where does Joe Biden get the idea he can do ANYTHING to regulate abortion at this point?

in 1973 the Court of that era invented a new "right" with no basis in the Constitution, a "right" to kill your own unborn baby. And they stole from the states the power to regulate such abortions, and awarded that power to themselves instead. They then legislated from the bench, making up some new laws out of thin air as though they were the Congress.

In 2022 The Court finally pointed out that all those acts were illegal, and overruled the 1973 case (and others).
Brandon is just blathering to make it look like he is "doing something". Only HE thinks this is legal. Did they teach him that in law school in Syracuse or did he just copy that from someone else's test??
 
Old 07-08-2022, 11:15 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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There's maybe 53 senate votes for a middle road approach like that. So they would have to dump the filibuster.
And get rid of that pesky Constitution, which forbids anyone but "the states and the people" from regulating abortion.

Poor little liberals, they keep forgetting that part, or pretending it isn't there.
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