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Old 02-19-2023, 08:10 AM
 
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Anyone else notice they're liberal politically, but conservative on an individual lifestyle? While I believe the government should make reforms (i.e. single-payer health care, anti-trust laws and such), I don't expect it to happen, and people should live as if it'll never happen.

In some ways, I feel very conservative:
* Increasing your income is more important than campaigning or activism.
* Be clean-cut, professional. No hand/neck tattoos. No hard drugs. Not too much casual sex (though I'm not judging). Wake up at 6am; don't go out drinking till 3am.
* I still believe the traditional route of getting a degree/trade/certification and working a 9-5 with benefits is better than side hustles, multiple jobs, instability, etc.
* Most people will blame their economic troubles solely on society. But I believe that 80% of people don't really live up to their potential; they get distracted. If people truly did everything they could to learn new skills, present themselves properly and network, they would likely be successful.
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Old 02-19-2023, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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* Increasing your income is more important than campaigning or activism.
you can do both

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* Be clean-cut, professional. No hand/neck tattoos. No hard drugs. Not too much casual sex (though I'm not judging). Wake up at 6am; don't go out drinking till 3am.



* I still believe the traditional route of getting a degree/trade/certification and working a 9-5 with benefits is better than side hustles, multiple jobs, instability, etc.


* Most people will blame their economic troubles solely on society. But I believe that 80% of people don't really live up to their potential; they get distracted. If people truly did everything they could to learn new skills, present themselves properly and network, they would likely be successful.
Everyone cant be successful, it causes inflation(at least, that is what we have been told by Conservatives)
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Old 02-19-2023, 09:09 AM
 
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I'm socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.
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Old 02-19-2023, 09:11 AM
 
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I'm socially liberal, but fiscally conservative.
Identifying as socially liberal and fiscally conservative tells the world “I care about people but not enough to see them cared for on a systemic level.”
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Old 02-19-2023, 09:17 AM
 
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Identifying as socially liberal and fiscally conservative tells the world “I care about people but not enough to see them cared for on a systemic level.”
Actually, it means "I care about people, so much so that I will use my own money, time and effort to care for them, instead of demanding that others do so in the name of my virtue signaling. I also care enough about people to leave them alone and be free of my interference into their lives."

Demanding a politician write a systemic law that forces others to act in a manner that you prefer, against their will, is not caring in any way. In fact, it's tyrannical and downright hateful. Meddling in other people's lives as a moral busybody is, paraphrasing CS Lewis, the worst of all tyrannies.
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Old 02-19-2023, 09:20 AM
 
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Identifying as socially liberal and fiscally conservative tells the world “I care about people but not enough to see them cared for on a systemic level.”
I don't think that.
I'm fiscally conservative and able to understand that 'helping' can be beneficial and eve help with the bottom line.

Your simplistic view of being fiscally conservative isn't necessarily fact -- it's how you feel.
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Old 02-19-2023, 09:21 AM
 
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Identifying as socially liberal and fiscally conservative tells the world “I care about people but not enough to see them cared for on a systemic level.”
I should have clarified. I absolutely want people to be cared for. I just don't like the pork in so many of the bills that's such a waste of resources. I also don't like all the special interest groups that pull funds away from those who are in need. I'm also personally fiscally conservative. I'm not much a consumer and live fairly frugally.

I've never been a fan of blanket bailouts either because it's usually large corporations and those who don't really need it getting bailed out. Am I for safety nets for the hungry, poor, less fortunate? By all means. But I think everyone who is capable should do their part to help others on a local level.
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Old 02-19-2023, 09:21 AM
 
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Actually, it means "I care about people, so much so that I will use my own money, time and effort to care for them, instead of demanding that others do so in the name of my virtue signaling. I also care enough about people to leave them alone and be free of my interference into their lives."

Demanding a politician write a systemic law that forces others to act in a manner that you prefer, against their will, is not caring in any way. In fact, it's tyrannical and downright hateful. Meddling in other people's lives as a moral busybody is, paraphrasing CS Lewis, the worst of all tyrannies.
It could mean that.

It could mean too that sometimes to help the bottom line, you have to give a little to help others so everyone can benefit and the bigger picture is better.

There are a million ways to look at it.
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Old 02-19-2023, 09:22 AM
 
Location: My house
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Actually, it means "I care about people, so much so that I will use my own money, time and effort to care for them, instead of demanding that others do so in the name of my virtue signaling. I also care enough about people to leave them alone and be free of my interference into their lives."

Demanding a politician write a systemic law that forces others to act in a manner that you prefer, against their will, is not caring in any way. In fact, it's tyrannical and downright hateful. Meddling in other people's lives as a moral busybody is, paraphrasing CS Lewis, the worst of all tyrannies.
excellent post. there is literally nothing stopping the individual from helping the downtrodden unless government is used to redistribute their wealth so that they can not donate to causes important to them. liberals are typical anti small government.
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Old 02-19-2023, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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We're called Libertarians, now about 3-5 percent of the electorate depending on the measures used.

We live responsibly, but view sexuality, religious belief and nationalism/patriotism as purely-private matters.

And I stopped wearing a necktie for anything but funerals back in the early Seventies

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