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Old 10-29-2023, 04:56 PM
 
Location: USA
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Beats me. I know Bush 1 and 2 were with record oil prices in 1991 and 08 and three failed wars.
But no mention of the Peace prize winners involvement in 3 new wars all by his lonesome, not to mention his surge in Afghanistan leaving almost 2000 dead Americans there? Syria, Libya, and Yemen.

Amazing, that peace loving Democrats bring up anybody but Obama when it comes to getting into other countries wars. Same with Clinton in Bosnia and Afganistan
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Old 10-29-2023, 05:19 PM
 
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But no mention of the Peace prize winners involvement in 3 new wars all by his lonesome, not to mention his surge in Afghanistan leaving almost 2000 dead Americans there? Syria, Libya, and Yemen.

Amazing, that peace loving Democrats bring up anybody but Obama when it comes to getting into other countries wars. Same with Clinton in Bosnia and Afganistan
We have lost every war since WW2 and blown trillions and killed many for no reason.
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Old 10-29-2023, 05:19 PM
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The democrats destroy the economy thru spending and free funny money programs and stuff, and then leave the republicans holding the ball.
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Old 10-29-2023, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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“By virtually every objective measure, Democrats do better. It’s not even close. So why doesn’t America know it?”
https://newrepublic.com/article/1662...s-vs-democrats

“...data show that the economy has performed much better during Democratic administrations. Economic growth, job creation and industrial production have all been stronger.”
https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/in...can-presidents

For the 13 presidents beginning with Truman, total job creation was about 70.5 million for the 7 Democratic presidents and 29.1 million for the 6 Republican presidents.

CNN reported in September 2020 that GDP grew 4.1% on average under Democrats, versus 2.5% under Republicans, from 1945 through the second quarter of 2020, a difference of 1.6 percentage points.[3] The New York Times reported in February 2021 that: "Since 1933, the economy has grown at an annual average rate of 4.6 percent under Democratic presidents and 2.4 percent under Republicans...The average income of Americans would be more than double its current level if the economy had somehow grown at the Democratic rate for all of the past nine decades

Blinder and Watson reported that budget deficits tended to be smaller under Democrats, at 2.1% potential GDP versus 2.8% potential GDP for Republicans, a difference of about 0.7 of a percentage point.

CNN reported in September 2020 that: “Since 1945, the S&P 500 has averaged an annual gain of 11.2% during years when Democrats controlled the White House, according to CFRA Research. That's well ahead of the 6.9% average gain under Republicans.”

CNN reported in October 2020 that 10 of the last 11 recessions started under Republican presidents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._e...can_presidents

Think about that last one. The last time a recession started during a Democrat administration was Jimmy Carter, 45 years ago. But Trump, Bush, Bush Sr, Reagan, Nixon and Eisenhower all had recessions.

whew! I was worried we were going to get thru the weekend without psychotic trolling...


disaster averted!
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Old 10-29-2023, 05:40 PM
 
Location: South of Heaven
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The GOP sucks for it's own reasons as well, and yes I would have preferred a Ron Paul presidency. But I was happy enough to settle for Trump over Hitlery. America got that one right at least. How we ended up with Biden though, I don't even want to know. There's no way you can convince me what we have now is better than what we had pre COVID era with Trump.
You're dealing with a mindset where an anarcho-capitalist who believes there should be no government at all also supports the modern left over the GOP. Don't expect any takes coming from that perspective to make a lot of sense.
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Old 10-29-2023, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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2020's recession was due to COVID. Trump did not start the pandemic. Trump did not shut down cities either, which obviously caused the GDP to temporarily plummet. It was democrats who promoted hard lock downs, shutting schools down in favor of remote learning, etc. The GOP perhaps deserves some blame for not doing more to stand in their way.



2008's financial meltdown didn't have anything to do with republicans. It was largely the result of people being given mortgages who in no way qualified for mortgages. The house of cards had to fall eventually, and it happened to fall on GWB's watch.
Trump had no control over Covid restrictions in cities or schools, all local decisions, the Trump fantasy that he didn't lockdown anything is always entertaining. He did dismiss the impact of Covid and undermine the CDC with his statements that resulted in misinformation.

Republicans have always fought against any financial control, the years leading up to 2008 were no different. They even fought against bank reform after 2008, leave it up to the free market.
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Old 10-29-2023, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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I haven't read through all the posts but this is the same old disingenuous crap that gets posted over and over again by those on the left. The poster is talking about which party controls the Presidency when things are looking bad and the results of the study indicates the Republicans are at fault. There is only one little problem, who, by our constitution is in control of spending? So, original poster, do a little exercise: Plug in which party controlled Congress during these times and what do you get? The results are VERY different!
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Old 10-29-2023, 07:57 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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The one thing we do know about GOP presidents going back to Reagan is that they have a practice and policy of increasing the national debt in a strategy intended to hamstring successive Democratic administrations from pursuing national programs in their budgets. Democrats are left holding the bag after Republicans borrow like drunken sailors. That does impact the national economy.
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Old 10-29-2023, 08:27 PM
 
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Trickle down economics for one. It never works.. The wealthy just don't share. We were doing well with Trump before COVID however
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Old 10-29-2023, 11:15 PM
 
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Pre-Covid Trump was just riding the wave handed off from Obama. He didn’t implement any of the big changes he promised like remaking health care into something everyone would love. His legacy is just fumbling the Covid response.
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