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But yet, according to you, Bush and his FEMA political appointee, Micheal Brown, bear no responsibility for Katrina. How blatantly partisan.
No, it's called Federalism. The basis of our government, as determined by the framers of the constitution. FEMA, as far as I am concerned, was ill-equipped to be involved (as would be expected) to handle a local disaster. This is best left to local and state governments. For example, when FEMA first entered New Orleans, they were working with outmoded GIS data to construct their maps with. Street centerline TIGER data was already 10 years old at the time. In contrast, Orleans Parish has their data updated on a quarterly basis, by local residents employed by the city and parish. The emergency egress plan that formulated FEMAs initial efforts were thwarted by aged data. In other words, the federal level of government had no familiarity or lay of the land of local New Orleans streets, or 100 year flood zones. The local governments, in contrast, were in receipt of updated aerial flyover data that would have been better utilized by the Mayor's office to make better administrative decisions. Ultimately, Nagin chose not to exercise these options and utilize resources afforded to him by his local operatives.
Again, you don't hear this stuff in USA Today, the Washington Post, etc. But it's necessary. And it needs to be more widely diseminated.
Bush and McCain laughing it up and eating cake as people died during Katrina.
yes, we have seen this in the several other threads you have posted it in. guess when you can't argue facts, you post pictures that don't tell a story. I wonder what barack obama was doing during this. probably stealing tax payer money in earmarks for his wifes "non profit" hospital. please stop filling up rooms with spam photos. either argue facts, or go someplace else to debate. you're very stale.
yes, we have seen this in the several other threads you have posted it in. guess when you can't argue facts, you post pictures that don't tell a story. I wonder what barack obama was doing during this. probably stealing tax payer money in earmarks for his wifes "non profit" hospital. please stop filling up rooms with spam photos. either argue facts, or go someplace else to debate. you're very stale.
That's not the same picture, but it drives home the point..that of Bush's lack of involvement. Something, I might add, a House inquiry on the failures of Katrina agrees with me on.
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The deaths and suffering of thousands of Hurricane Katrina's victims might have been avoided if the government had heeded lessons from the 2001 terror attacks and taken a proactive stance toward disaster preparedness, a House inquiry concludes. But from President Bush on down to local officials there was largely a reactive posture to the catastrophic Aug. 29 storm — even when faced with early warnings about its deadly potential. [...] It also found that Bush could have speeded the response by becoming involved in the crisis earlier and says he was not receiving guidance from a disaster specialist who would have understood the scope of the storm's destruction. "Earlier presidential involvement might have resulted in a more effective response," the inquiry concluded. [...]
"The preparation for and response to Hurricane Katrina should disturb all Americans," said the report, written by a Republican-dominated special House committee chaired by Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va. "Passivity did the most damage," it said. "The failure of initiative cost lives, prolonged suffering, and left all Americans justifiably concerned our government is no better prepared to protect its people than it was before 9/11, even if we are."
That's not the same picture, but it drives home the point..that of Bush's lack of involvement. Something, I might add, a House inquiry on the failures of Katrina agrees with me on.
it's not his job to get involved in states matters. perhaps ray nagin should have used the buses that were parked just sitting there to evacuate people. that way, not a single death would have occurred. I see you fail to debate the fact that louisiana voted for bush in 00 and 04. it's ok, can't argue with facts. nope, you just keep posting irrelevant pictures.
I don't really understand how the actions of people in an area hit by a class 5 hurricane causing over 1800 deaths is being compared to what happened in Iowa. Iowa's disaster responses appear to be far and above that of Katrina's, so the people there have been better taken care of throughout the heavy rainstorms. If anything the actions of the disaster responses should be compared, not the actions of the people caught in the storm.
it's not his job to get involved in states matters. perhaps ray nagin should have used the buses that were parked just sitting there to evacuate people. that way, not a single death would have occurred. I see you fail to debate the fact that louisiana voted for bush in 00 and 04. it's ok, can't argue with facts. nope, you just keep posting irrelevant pictures.
I just posted some relevant findings from a House inquiry on the Katrina disaster, yet you chose to either not accept them or ignore them. Now why would that be?
I just posted some relevant findings from a House inquiry on the Katrina disaster, yet you chose to either not accept them or ignore them. Now why would that be?
Government at all levels took an indifferent stance toward disaster preparations after the 2001 terror attacks, leaving the Gulf Coast vulnerable to Hurricane Katrina and contributing to the death and suffering the storm inflicted, a House inquiry concludes.
not really sure what is so tough to understand about that. government at ALL levels. starting with level 1, local. ray nagin. hey, like I have said before, new orleans voted for george bush, no matter what you say friend.
Government at all levels took an indifferent stance toward disaster preparations after the 2001 terror attacks, leaving the Gulf Coast vulnerable to Hurricane Katrina and contributing to the death and suffering the storm inflicted, a House inquiry concludes.
not really sure what is so tough to understand about that. government at ALL levels. starting with level 1, local. ray nagin. hey, like I have said before, new orleans voted for george bush, no matter what you say friend.
I've never suggested Nagin or Blanco were not at fault. What I have pointed out is, much as the Republican controlled House concluded, that this was a failure at all levels, which starts at the top with George Bush.
BTW, at the time of a 2000 census, NO was 67.25% African American. Therefore I doubt that the city was carried by Bush.
I've never suggested Nagin or Blanco were not at fault. What I have pointed out is, much as the Republican controlled House concluded, that this was a failure at all levels, which starts at the top with George Bush.
BTW, at the time of a 2000 census, NO was 67.25% African American. Therefore I doubt that the city was carried by Bush.
now let's not get offensive here. the city was 67% black. I would put money on the fact it was carried by bush. perhaps people just didn't vote in the elections. it's the largest city in the state, yet bush won both years. hmmmmm, something isn't adding up! I don't expect you to understand how things work during hurricanes. I live in the city which has had more direct hits from hurricanes than any other in the US. we know how to prepare. we never rely on the federal government. we know how to evacuate. it's a local issue with us, we don't involve those not responsible.
Some MOD CUT on this board dont understand how government or chain of command works MOD CUT.
They keep posting over and over again about what Bush was doing, he has 50 other states to worry about, not just one!
Bush didnt fail those people your LIBERAL Mayor and LIBERAL Governor wanted to be heros and LOCKED OUT THE NATIONAL GUARD THAT BUSH ok's to come in for 3 DAYS after the fact!
Stop your lying and get the real facts.
The federal government does not get involved in floods or natural disasters until and only after the mayor, then the governor calls them for help. Read it, understand it and go on.
Again.... Jeb Bush has 5 hurricanes, limited trouble, limited deaths and all under control because he follow procedures.
Arnold has the wild fires, limited trouble limited deaths and no troubles, all because he followed procedures.
Cedar Rapids, mayor calls the governor, the governor declares a state of emergency which puts in place outside help to come in.
I do not understand you looneys ideas, one day you do not want the President in your business then the next day when something happens you blame him.
What was he suppose to do when this was going on, sit down and cry.
Before you go lying any more, the national guard were LOCKED out of the city until the scumbag criminal Nagan allowed them to come into the city.
He should be locked up for murdering these people, he knew days and weeks in advance this was coming.
heck, the moron didnt even follow the procedures that were in place on what and and how to do things, again his fault.
Cedar Rapids, heck no those people are under control, helping each other out, no looting, shooting, stealing, nothing.
Others have failed to mention the difference, Cedar Rapids in mostly white while NO is mostly black, not a racist thing but its the truth and sometimes it hurts, but we all can see the difference on how people do things.
Why on earth do you looneys use Katrina as a tool all the time to bash Bush? There have been allot of other disasters and problems in this country besides Katrina and the local and state governments did a fantastic job with them. Get the facts, your looney mayor and governor were the cause of this, they failed the people, not anyone else.
Upton, where were you when this hit? your such as hero I thought you would have your helicopter using it to evacuate people, you personally failed them by not showing up.
What will the looney liberals do when Bush is gone? You goofs wont have anything to do because that is all you post about is Bush.
Bet I know, if Nobama becomes President ( hope to gawd he doesnt ) will you hold him to the same standards? I bet not.
Add Florida, California and Iowa together, see how they were all properly handled and then look at NO, see the difference? Liberal mayor and governor in NO, republican mayors and govenors in the other, huge difference.
Now why on earth would anyone want a liberal President who cannot even make a decent personal choice?
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