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Old 08-17-2008, 10:25 PM
 
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Have you ever been raped? If not, how can you surmise how someone should feel? 33% of rape victims have thoughts of suicide and several of these attempt suicide because for them, they would have preferred to die. We have too many people not equipped emotionally or financially to have kids which is why we see a Caylee Anthony story everyday along with other stories of abuse, neglect, and murder of children (not embryos). Putting a child up for adoption after going through delivery has it's own separate trauma which some would rather not go through after already being traumatized. The right to choose does not infringe on your personal belief system but your pro life belief infringes on others.

P.S. Did you actually see the clip? Some of these girls were cripled and would probably struggle even bringing a child to term without risking their life. You sound real sympathetic.
You made no attempt whatsoever to address my comment and question. I'll post them again, hopefully you'll make an attempt to respond to them this time; if not I can only surmise that you're not interested:

It's not the baby's fault that he/she was the product of rape. How could the murder of an innocent preborn child make up for the horrific act of rape?
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Old 08-17-2008, 10:34 PM
 
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You made no attempt whatsoever to address my comment and question. I'll post them again, hopefully you'll make an attempt to respond to them this time; if not I can only surmise that you're not interested:

It's not the baby's fault that he/she was the product of rape. How could the murder of an innocent preborn child make up for the horrific act of rape?
I do not consider a few week old embryo a child. If only every pro life advocate had to walk in the shoes of a rape victim versus lecturing on the sidelines and planting bombs (I'm referring to the radicals) that happen to kill innocent people in the crossfire.
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Old 08-17-2008, 10:37 PM
 
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Don't expect an obviously anti-choice male to feel empathy for those poor women and girls. Zygotes are infinitely more important than the vessels that bear them. After all, they might give birth to a boy!
Oh, we're going there are we? I'm a male so I'm not allowed to have an opinion on abortion. Let's carry that logic out shall we? I'm not black, so why should I care about racism. I'm not below the poverty line, screw the poor. I have all of my mental faculties about me so lets euthanize those with Down Syndrome (oh, wait, that's kinda like abortion, so i guess you'd be okay with that one).

Zygotes, is that what were calling the preborn now? Sounds less human that way I suppose. Rape is a violent, horrific, heinous crime and I'd support the death penalty on anyone who commits it. I just believe that the baby is of equal value to the mother. Why don't you?
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Old 08-17-2008, 10:42 PM
 
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Oh, we're going there are we? I'm a male so I'm not allowed to have an opinion on abortion. Let's carry that logic out shall we? I'm not black, so why should I care about racism. I'm not below the poverty line, screw the poor. I have all of my mental faculties about me so lets euthanize those with Down Syndrome (oh, wait, that's kinda like abortion, so i guess you'd be okay with that one).

Zygotes, is that what were calling the preborn now? Sounds less human that way I suppose. Rape is a violent, horrific, heinous crime and I'd support the death penalty on anyone who commits it. I just believe that the baby is of equal value to the mother. Why don't you?


But it's not your choice.
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Old 08-17-2008, 10:44 PM
 
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I do not consider a few week old embryo a child. If only every pro life advocate had to walk in the shoes of a rape victim versus lecturing on the sidelines and planting bombs (I'm referring to the radicals) that happen to kill innocent people in the crossfire.
This too, I find ironic from the pro death side. I know of no one that is pro life that condones the bombing of abortion clinics and for that matter we all loudly and vociferously condemn that action. However your side shouts from the rooftops and in fact will march about, "choice", yet that choice kills millions more a year then any bombing at any clinic. Murder is murder.
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Old 08-17-2008, 10:45 PM
 
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Oh, we're going there are we? I'm a male so I'm not allowed to have an opinion on abortion. Let's carry that logic out shall we? I'm not black, so why should I care about racism. I'm not below the poverty line, screw the poor. I have all of my mental faculties about me so lets euthanize those with Down Syndrome (oh, wait, that's kinda like abortion, so i guess you'd be okay with that one).

Zygotes, is that what were calling the preborn now? Sounds less human that way I suppose. Rape is a violent, horrific, heinous crime and I'd support the death penalty on anyone who commits it. I just believe that the baby is of equal value to the mother. Why don't you?
When men can carry the child of the rape to term, then lets talk. I'd be happy to pass the responsibility on to you.
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Old 08-17-2008, 10:46 PM
 
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This too, I find ironic from the pro death side. I know of no one that is pro life that condones the bombing of abortion clinics and for that matter we all loudly and vociferously condemn that action. However your side shouts from the rooftops and in fact will march about, "choice", yet that choice kills millions more a year then any bombing at any clinic. Murder is murder.
When?
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Old 08-17-2008, 10:51 PM
 
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But it's not your choice.
What's not? The bottom line is we have two polar opposite believe systems. I believe in the intrinsic value of life, no matter how small or the location. You believe that a woman should have the right to choose to murder her preborn child. There is either life or death, no other state exists in an animate object. A preborn baby has a heartbeat, brainwaves and feels pain. You say, "It's not a life". Well, then what is it? Again, there's only life or death. If it's dead, with heartbeat and brainwaves, when does it become life, when it drops down into the birth canal? To me, as I type this trying to rationalize your belief system I find it utterly absurd. Surely you feel the same about mine. Difference is, I stand on the side of life, you, death. See, two different belief systems.

Oh, another thing: the pro-life movement is overwhelmingly made up of women.
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Old 08-17-2008, 10:53 PM
 
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When men can carry the child of the rape to term, then lets talk. I'd be happy to pass the responsibility on to you.
Again, using your logic, I should have no opinion on racism, poverty, healthcare, etc. Absurd.
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Old 08-17-2008, 10:53 PM
 
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This too, I find ironic from the pro death side. I know of no one that is pro life that condones the bombing of abortion clinics and for that matter we all loudly and vociferously condemn that action. However your side shouts from the rooftops and in fact will march about, "choice", yet that choice kills millions more a year then any bombing at any clinic. Murder is murder.
Well, no, abortion is legal..


You may want racial equality and feel for the poor but you'll never be black or poor and understand it from that perspective. (Your Down syndrome comparison made no sense.)

You will never be pregnant and have that perspective.

Your language gives you away...."pro-death" ??? C'mon! You're just another male who wants total control of women...had that vasectomy yet? Because that's the only way abortion will end...every male at birth gets a vasectomy.
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