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Old 10-01-2008, 05:36 PM
 
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We spend 1 trillion on defense next year on stuff like radar system in Poland, missles in Czech, black-ops, a useless missle defense system, policing the Iraqis, and the all to important hunt for Osama whats his name. Why dont we give them the year off and use that money to repair our own country? It seems we really want to provoke Russia into another cold war.

 
Old 10-02-2008, 06:49 AM
 
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Default Moratorium on Defense Spending for One Year

I say..hear hear ...good idea. Can you imagine folks save 1 Trillion in a year or I would be happy with 800 Billion Talks with country leaders and say lets take a break. I know it sounds simple but this defense budget is insane..again look at other countries they are not spending this kind of outrageous money. Of course part of that 1 trillion is the 10 billion we are spending a Month..yes folks a month...can you imagine...
 
Old 10-02-2008, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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micrea knows why. Please tell the rest of us why we need to rule the world.
 
Old 10-02-2008, 07:03 AM
 
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Default Take Back America

You're right...It's long over due Americans have to speak in an loud clear voice. SAy what you want via email..it takes very little time....Americans have lots of needs...Charity begins at home...Enough ...Take Back America
 
Old 10-02-2008, 07:06 AM
 
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We spend 1 trillion on defense next year on stuff like radar system in Poland, missles in Czech, black-ops, a useless missle defense system

Please post the annual defense budget (from the CBO) for the last five years. I think your estimate is just a bit high.
 
Old 10-02-2008, 08:43 AM
 
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If we don't step up to the plate, then we risk another WW2 -- isolization is not the answer. However, I'd love to see how the countries with "universal health care" would be able to pay for the defense of their countries if we no longer put our money into protecting them.

But then I looked at our medicare/medicaid and SS budget and it is equal to the money put into the defense budget... at least it looks that way on the pie chart on Wikepedia...

 
Old 10-02-2008, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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It's scary how ignorant some people are of the real world and the dangers that face our nation.
 
Old 10-02-2008, 10:51 AM
 
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Ref: Donald Rumsfeld; 9/10/2001, $2.3 trillion is missing from the Pentagon...
Dov Zakheim, a Bush appointee was the Pentagon comptroller from May 4/2001 to March 10/2004.
Dov Zakheim also could not account for another $1 trillion missing.
Was the money ever accounted for, and who is Dov Zakheim?

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Old 10-02-2008, 11:51 AM
 
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Please post the annual defense budget (from the CBO) for the last five years. I think your estimate is just a bit high.
Let's start with the money the Bush administration has already thrown at the war in Iraq. According to the June congressional testimony of William Beach, director of the Center for Data Analysis, the war has cost $646 billion so far. The new defense budget for 2009 tacks on another $68.6 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan in the coming year. However, military expert Bill Hartung of the New America Foundation puts a conservative estimate of the costs of a single week of the Iraq War at approximately $3.5 billion (or about $180 billion a year).
In other words, the war in Iraq will cost far more in the next year than the Iraq portion of that $68.6 billion Congress is about to pony up in the defense budget, and so will be funded, as has long been true, through supplemental war bills submitted by the Bush administration (and then whatever administration follows). In other words, sometime in 2009 the direct costs of the war the Bush administration once predicted would cost perhaps $50-60 billion in total will stand at more than $800 billion, or $100 billion above the cost (if all goes well, which it won't) of the bailout of the financial system now being proposed in Washington.
Estimates of the true long-term costs of the President's war of choice, including payments of health care and veterans benefits into the distant future, soar into the budgetary stratosphere. They range from the Congressional Budget Office's $1-2 trillion to an estimate by economists Joseph Stiglitz and Linda J. Bilmes of up to $4-5 trillion. So we're talking somewhere between one-and-a-half and seven bailouts-worth of taxpayer dollars flowing into the morass of disaster, corruption, and carnage in Iraq.

Tomgram: Chalmers Johnson, The Pentagon Bailout Fraud
 
Old 10-02-2008, 01:14 PM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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sigh. Do people always nearly double estimates to make a point?

Try 515 billion.

DefenseLink News Release: Fiscal Year 2009 Department Of Defense Budget Released

Budget Management: Fiscal Discipline & Managing for Results

Heres one where they include "extras"

What Do the Pentagon's Numbers Really Mean?

And another

Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Can I use the OPs math and have it applied to my salary?

The Trillion number is a stretch and appears to come from here:

The Trillion-Dollar Defense Budget Is Already Here: Newsroom: The Independent Institute

Includes ALOT of things that are not military

Good reads tho. Remember ALL sources above have a specific Point of View whether moonbats or wingnuts.
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