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Apparently you think I eat & sleep in front of my computer. I was answering the poster who said this is already the best health care system in the world. Since I'm a licensed health insurance agent, I get to see all the people who are turned down or who are rated up because of high blood pressure, asthma or who can't afford the $800 a month payment to cover their families. Then there are plans that lower the monthly premiums but have very high deductibles. Not everyone has $5,000 or $10,000 in the bank. Insurance is state regulated, so it might be different where you live. However, if someone is covered by a group plan, he/she has no idea how poor individual plans are and how expensive it can be to stay healthy. 1/2 my life I worked for a national corporation with excellent benefits and had no idea, so I can understand why so many people have the attitude that people who desire an affordable plan are "leeches."
How will this plan affect doctors and hospitals? That's an excellent question and requires a very long explanation. Take any government regulated health plan. The reason many doctors do not accept Medicare and Medicaid patients is because they don't get paid enough. My point is, to answer the original question, a plan that regulates costs could have an adverse affect on our health care system, since our medical costs are too high in the first place.
However, I agree with Tristan's Mommy. Obama is not suggesting free health care for all. I would gladly join a plan based on my ability to pay if I received comprehensive coverage that treated me fairly.
Excellent post.. I would LOVE To join a plan that based what they charge on our family income..
I'm a juvenile diabetic since the age of 16. My diabetes has been under great control (my last A1C was excellent) . I'm not lazy, I didn't ask for the disease, nothing i did caused it and I work hard to keep my disease in control.. and if you know anything about diabetes that is not always easy.
Affordable coverage is a huge stress point for me and causes great anxiety!
I am looking forward to what Obama will do in office and I can't wait for his plans to take affect.
Name YOUR source!!! LOL.. Do you have anything to back that up?
While they may have their problems, any system does and will... but to say France is going bankrupt as a result is ..well silly!
Please learn how to use the "quote" functionality properly if you want a response. I'm not going to deal with someone who can't communicate effectively online - you've been here long enough, you should know how to use the software by now.
Your link did not lead to the WHO website.
I have read the report.
I'm still waiting for the URL of the document stating that the US has a 24% infant mortality rate.
"Our health system has gone mad," Health Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy told a parliamentary commission earlier this month. "Profound reforms are urgent."
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France is not alone in finding it increasingly hard to fund cradle-to-grave welfare systems. Across Europe, aging populations and ever more expensive medical treatments are busting budgets. The German government recently scandalized voters by introducing small charges for doctor visits and medicines.
Germany's having to charge now? Oops.. The article also states that in the reform package proposed, France will also start charging.
Yep, great system. You asked for my source - it was really quite simple to find. If you were truly interested, you could have easily found it yourself. I suspect that like most who have this fantasy perception of what the euro system is like, you're not interested in any facts that show that there are real problems with these systems. You'll blithely discard any such evidence and rationalize it by saying it comes from someone with an agenda...
Excellent post.. I would LOVE To join a plan that based what they charge on our family income..
I'm a juvenile diabetic since the age of 16. My diabetes has been under great control (my last A1C was excellent) . I'm not lazy, I didn't ask for the disease, nothing i did caused it and I work hard to keep my disease in control.. and if you know anything about diabetes that is not always easy.
Affordable coverage is a huge stress point for me and causes great anxiety!
I am looking forward to what Obama will do in office and I can't wait for his plans to take affect.
For a country with such a disparity between the rich and everyone else other than a few Middle Estern countries it is a shame that there is no health care system here.
The rich here can surely afford to be taxed slightly more to pay their share.
Europe , much of Middle East and Asia with less wealth than here have it
Please learn how to use the "quote" functionality properly if you want a response. I'm not going to deal with someone who can't communicate effectively online - you've been here long enough, you should know how to use the software by now.
Your link did not lead to the WHO website.
I have read the report.
I'm still waiting for the URL of the document stating that the US has a 24% infant mortality rate.
I'll respond the way that I feel best.. I hit respond and then answer line by line and bold so that people see where the OP said then what I said.. but thanks for the lecture
I already said that the 24% was false and provided information on what it actually is. I corrected the persons response as being false..
BUT since you failed to read that I'll state it again.. we are ranked 29th with a mortality rate of 6.9%.. the original poster overstated.
As for my link to the WHO.. you're right.. it didn't.. but whne you click to it it lists the rankings of all the countries published by the WHO with a link too the WHO.. or was that too much clicking for you
Germany's having to charge now? Oops.. The article also states that in the reform package proposed, France will also start charging.
Yep, great system. You asked for my source - it was really quite simple to find. If you were truly interested, you could have easily found it yourself. I suspect that like most who have this fantasy perception of what the euro system is like, you're not interested in any facts that show that there are real problems with these systems. You'll blithely discard any such evidence and rationalize it by saying it comes from someone with an agenda...
Great.. nice article.. thanks for providing it.
And so you conveniently leave out what is being proposed to FIX the French Solution. Here.. here is an excerpt;
The minister unveiled his plans Monday, estimating that the nation could save $18 billion a year: Reforms included computerizing patient records, encouraging patients to visit their family doctors before going to expensive specialists, boosting the use of cheaper generic drugs, and making patients pay a nominal $1.19 charge for each visit to a doctor
1.19!! Oh.. those poor French now have to pay 1.19..the system is soo horrible and failing..LOL PLEEEAAAZZE.
Get a clue man.. since most Americans have to meet a deductable and pay visits out of pocket.. FULL visits out of pocket and THEN have to pay a $20 - $45 copay per visit.. I'll be very happy to pay $1.19 and have everyone insured. Quite honestly.. the copays are not the problem and not something I'd complain about either. I don't mind those... and feel that if we adopt a UHI there should be copays for prescription drugs and Dr. Visits for precisely the reason the French are introducing a charge at each visit.. although their charges are nominal in comparison. Using Generic drugs.. not a problem.. they do the same thing most often as those that are more expensive..which is why the expensive name brand actually go down in price when a generic is made.. and visiting their family Dr. before going to a specialist (encouraging, so they say) that's not a problem.. everyone should have a family doctor first.. that refers them to the specialist. We do that here inthe U.S. THAT is not the problem in the U.S. .. the problem is that when the family Dr. says you need to see a specialist , which is their professional opinion, the pencil pushers at the insurance companies override that or make it difficult. .. which is NOT what the French are proposing. .. rather they are saying.. .Makes sense.. you don't want someone that is hypocondriach going to see every specialist that may not be neccesary and can be handled by a family doctor,whose charges are much less!!!
Also, there are many ways for the French to cut down on expenses.. like the minister plans with computerization (which is also part of Obama'ts plan, btw).
The article talks about how the French are holding strongly to their system, as they are deeply satisfied with the care they recieve among other things.. oh , and no wait times either!!
As i've said.. every system has it's problems.. but despite their glitches they are the #1 in health care in the world.. and the U.S has a LOOONg way to go before they even reach the top 10.
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What does it mean to doctors, nurses, medical office workers, insurance billers, etc? How will it impact them in terms of jobs? Will carriers like United Healthcare, Blue Cross Blue Shields, Humana, etc be still around???
There will be no reason for the insurance carriers to exist anymore as the government might pay the bills in the future. As for doctors, nurses and other medical employees nothing would change. All those folks still go to work everyday in Canada.
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Why ruin the best health care system in the world?
Because it is the best only for the rich or those who are fortunate enough (more and more limited to government, military and union workers) to be able to use it.
You cannot sustain a system that is used by 100% of the population with less than 50% paying for it.
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I was answering the poster who said this is already the best health care system in the world. Since I'm a licensed health insurance agent, I get to see all the people who are turned down or who are rated up because of high blood pressure, asthma or who can't afford the $800 a month payment to cover their families. Then there are plans that lower the monthly premiums but have very high deductibles. Not everyone has $5,000 or $10,000 in the bank. Insurance is state regulated, so it might be different where you live. However, if someone is covered by a group plan, he/she has no idea how poor individual plans are and how expensive it can be to stay healthy. 1/2 my life I worked for a national corporation with excellent benefits and had no idea, so I can understand why so many people have the attitude that people who desire an affordable plan are "leeches."
