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No, but being displeased with the public system, and thinking its ok to rob it of your child's share of funding so you can take your kid elsewhere is absurd..
That's like saying because you don't like what's going on in america.. you're going to go to canada and the american tax payer should pay for your move
Because that essentially is what you're saying by advocating vouchers...
Several months after the "tiff", you still apparently are clueless about the entire idea of privatization, and the MANY benefits to society under that proposal. Not only does it help childless taxpayers like myself, it also contributes to a better educated populace overall, and highly successful individuals as adults. It's not only the privileged, the elite, and the wealthy who attend private schools either. Middle and even lower income families could afford tuition if they would simply make sacrifices and give up the many gadgets they don't need.
In addition, I've also proposed different alternatives to the current system, other than privatization. Maybe all you remember about that one thread in the Great Debates forum is what you choose to retain ... but perhaps you should read my many other postings on this very subject to actually open your mind a little bit. There are many ways to change the current socialist system to one that is beneficial (and fair) for all. The current public system is anything but.
Several months after the "tiff", you still apparently are clueless about the entire idea of privatization, and the MANY benefits to society under that proposal. Not only does it help childless taxpayers like myself, it also contributes to a better educated populace overall, and highly successful individuals as adults. It's not only the privileged, the elite, and the wealthy who attend private schools either. Middle and even lower income families could afford tuition if they would simply make sacrifices and give up the many gadgets they don't need.
In addition, I've also proposed different alternatives to the current system, other than privatization. Maybe all you remember about that one thread in the Great Debates forum is what you choose to retain ... but perhaps you should read my many other postings on this very subject to actually open your mind a little bit. There are many ways to change the current socialist system to one that is beneficial (and fair) for all. The current public system is anything but.
capitalism is never fair my friend....
when I first started teaching.. I made 24K per year.. If I had two kids.. there is no way in hell I would be able to afford to send them to private schools..
Also, interesting to note that some tax payer paid for your education when you were a little pimple faced hooligan.. and now you object to the idea of you having to pay taxes for the next generations education?
The value of education might be high in your mind.. but its certainly clear that when it comes to funding it.. you'd rather pass the buck when the donation pot comes your way...
This hyper individualized society we live in is the product of these philosophies.. yet many people who scream bloody murder about having to pay for these societal investments.. because they don't have a direct effect on them per say.. are the same people who benefitted from them all through their life and didn't even realize it.. Now I'm not saying that's you.. you could very well have gone to private schools and never had an ouce of anything from anyone your whole life.. But.. I would venture to say you have... The roads and trains you travel on to and from work are an investment to society to promote the economic activity of an area.. the list could go on..
i just don't understand this privatizing of education argument.. it doesn't add up...and it reeks of underlying hidden political/social agendas...
Educated citizens are smart enough to know when a politician is BSing them so the GOP, at all costs, wants people to be uneducated. That's why they're always slashing education funding and attempting to hollow out real science with religious dogma (like "intelligent design").
EXACTLY........I went to public school and never once had liberal views "spewed" or imposed on me. and this was high school. College is different, but you can make up your mind when you're a young adult. I'm independent by choice. Republicans have some points that I don't mind entertaining, as well as the Democrats, but that doesn't mean I have an idealogy that could be consider neither Dem or Rep.
Republicans love an uneducated public, that's why they cater to them. Just listen to some conservatives and their listeners. Not that all conservatives are stupid, but the majority of them I swear talk about the same things.
Maybe I've never met a conservative professor in college, but I'm pretty sure they're out there
a completed AA degree is transferable to any university.. a few credits here and there aren't necessarily transferable.. you're right... but here in the west many states have agreements with the community colleges and universities to accept the credits with no problems...
...transferable to that state's public colleges and universities provided an articulation agreement exists, yes. An AA degree does not necessarily transfer to any university.
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...by the way? what is wrong with attending an instate public university anyway?
Absolutely nothing! The top state schools are a GREAT deal for their respective state residents, especially now! Some of the best:
UC Berkeley
U Virginia
UCLA
U Michigan
UNC-Chapel Hill
College of William and Mary
Georgia Tech
U Wisconsin-Madison
UCSD
U Illinois--Urbana-Champaign
All in the top 40, public and private
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I actually was in high school back in the 90's and I actually WAS in running start.. and It was completely transferable to the University of Washington (a Great school).. And you know what.. it was transfered to the School I went to in Australia as well... I don't understand your elitist attitude towards the public schools?
Look, even OUR state flagship, U Illinois--Urbana-Champaign, has limits and restrictions on transferring CC credits from within the state. This has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
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that there is nothing about them that is sufficient or good enough for you.. you have nothing good to say about it.. at all.. I really makes me question some things about you and where your actual point of view stems from... because it certainly is not reflective of someone who is involved because they care and are trying to do something about it... seems very destructive and cynical to me...
I have no clue why you ascribe that view to me. How many times have I said throughout this thread that several people have posted that they're happy with their public school, and that's fine. They believe it's working well for their kids - more power to them. Just DON'T insist on trapping kids in schools that are undereducating them just because yours happens to be working well for you, period. Give students a choice. Some need it, some don't. Some will choose a different school, some won't. It's as simple as that.
No, but being displeased with the public system, and thinking its ok to rob it of your child's share of funding so you can take your kid elsewhere is absurd..
That's like saying because you don't like what's going on in america.. you're going to go to canada and the american tax payer should pay for your move
Because that essentially is what you're saying by advocating vouchers...
Wow - you really don't get it.
The tax money is spent on education anyway. If that tax money enables a student to pursue a more rigorous education at the private school, the taxpayer wins - better education for same amount of money. The student wins - more rigorous education. The community wins - a better educated citizen who is more likely to earn a higher income, and therefore pay higher taxes.
But, no. You would rather make sure that anyone who isn't challenged by their public school and can't afford to pursue a more rigorous education at a private school sure as hell won't get one - not on your watch.
Tell us, what do you gain from making damn sure that undereducated students remain that way?
Several months after the "tiff", you still apparently are clueless about the entire idea of privatization, and the MANY benefits to society under that proposal. Not only does it help childless taxpayers like myself, it also contributes to a better educated populace overall, and highly successful individuals as adults. It's not only the privileged, the elite, and the wealthy who attend private schools either. Middle and even lower income families could afford tuition if they would simply make sacrifices and give up the many gadgets they don't need.
In addition, I've also proposed different alternatives to the current system, other than privatization. Maybe all you remember about that one thread in the Great Debates forum is what you choose to retain ... but perhaps you should read my many other postings on this very subject to actually open your mind a little bit. There are many ways to change the current socialist system to one that is beneficial (and fair) for all. The current public system is anything but.
Oh blah blah blah..
You are so self interested.. you care NOTHING about children or education..
I remember well our volley on education.. and you were full of only self interest.. etc..
I don't think Conservatives hate public education...at least not all. I think what a lot of Conservatives have a problem with is the mismanagement of Tax Dollars in the Public Education System. Many people do not like the fact that illegal aliens are allowed to enter Public Schools at the expense of Taxpayers.
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This is a perfect example of the poor attitude toward of the general public in the state of Arizona toward public education. It sounds like you just want to get out of paying taxes are crying about it going to schools. I think you are someone who doesn't like children and you don't realize that your tax dollars are going to fund the future of our society.
Here in Arizona, the general public has a very poor attitude toward public education. Schools can't even get bonds passed that would only add on a 5.00 tax. Therefore, were expected to basically scrape by. My school is currently running out of paper and pencils. We can't get a bond passed, yet many will gladly use credit to spend 1000 dollars on a brand new HD TV.
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