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If that is supposed to mean America dumped a Right of Center Reagan like philosophy then I think you are mistaken...Obama got in office because many peopl felt unkind towards Bush. Look at what happened to Jimmy Carter (someone who came to power because people were mad at republicans), people realized that his liberal ways were not good for America and then elected Reagan in a landslide.
They also elected FDR four times and they certainly had opposite policies. I believe we are in the midst of a political shift because look where it has gotten us. America wants itself to be prosporous more than it wants a failed idealogue. Eventually the country will center itself again. I think thats what we are experiencing. The move to far to the right was a failure.
This does happen a bit.When one president hurts us as bad as they do it makes it easier for the parties to shift power.
I didn't vote for Bush and I think people understand that Bush didn't follow a truly conservative doctrine with his massive government expansion. I used to be a Democrat, but after realizing that the more liberal types want to give amnesty to illegal aliens (and Obama telling Americans the solution to the immigration debate is for Americans to learn spanish) I decided I could no longer vote for him or support the Democrats.
I didn't vote for Bush and I think people understand that Bush didn't follow a truly conservative doctrine with his massive government expansion. I used to be a Democrat, but after realizing that the more liberal types want to give amnesty to illegal aliens (and Obama telling Americans the solution to the immigration debate is for Americans to learn spanish) I decided I could no longer vote for him or support the Democrats.
Nobody has followed a truly conservative doctrine because its unrealistic. Now I would like to see a source about what you said about obama telling americans they need to learn spanish?
Who was it who oversaw the US buying 80% shares in formerly private banks? You know, socialism? I guess it was Ob...wait, no, it was Bush.
Thread over.
Sorry. Former Clinton supporter and the Dems crafted the first bailout. I guess that's what Bush gets for reaching across the aisle. He viewed it as a one-shot response in an unprecedented situation necessary to open up liquidity. Bush had the strong anti-tax track record to show he wasn't a socialist.
Contrast this with Obama who saw the first bailout as a chance to advance socialist when he voted for it. With this months even bigger bailout and more promised, it's clear that Obama's views are completely different than Bush's.
I don't know were you come from... Probably from a different universe (not even a parallel one).
1) Nobody respected us under Bush (except himself, Carl Rove and a few fans). Not only radical Islamists disrespect US, but Africa, Western Europe and majority of Asia as well. The problem with Europe is not that they were dealing with Saddam and we exposed them, but that they have a different mentality and culture.
2) If you want to make a better statement, you can say that US defense and interests come prior to France's sympathy and we should not compromise on that. Every country puts their defense first and when France needed to act, they did what they thought is in their interest, including nuclear tests. (at a time when the whole world was against.)
3) Obama is only a month in office. He is still untested and it remains to be seen how the world will react. Iran and others aren't rubbing hands as you say, but are still concerned with US forces on their doorstep. When G.W. Bush took office in 2001, the world didn't react to him instantly. It took 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq for people to make up their mind about him. Why not grant Obama the same time?
4) How do Obama campaign messages sound like Bin Laden??? Is Obama yelling "death to America?" Does Obama prays for the fall of the US in the near future?
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The notion of America losing respect under Bush was always just a partisan sham purveyed by the left. We, in fact, were hugely respected after Iraq because 1) we showed we wouldn't put up with crap 2) we proved to our allies we keep our word.
This doesn't mean everybody liked us under Bush. After all, France, Germany, Russia, and the UN all had illegal under-the-table deals with Saddam that we exposed to the world. Yeah, those countries got mad at us all right. While they were preaching peace and socialism, they were cheating; they were abetting worldwide terrorism. They were angry that Bush upset that gravy train. But make no mistake; these countries respected us greatly under Bush.
Now look at today. Under Obama, we are rapidly becoming laughingstocks and punchlines in the financial world. We have erstwhile economic failures like Russia and China scolding us, formerly the world's greatest capitalist icon, for becoming socialist. They are laughing at us for embracing the very economic philosophy they had just finished rejecting because they witnessed first hand the abject failure of socialism. They are ridiculing us because after decades of eating steak, we are now seeking out stale peanut butter sandwiches. After decades of riding high in a Cadillac, we are searching for a Yugo. After living in the Ritz Carlton, we have opted for Motel 6. We have dumped Charlize Theron for Tori Spelling.
Britain is laughing at us for eagerly anticipating a failed health care system they are in the process of scrapping. "Didn't they watch us wallow for years? Didn't they see the doctor shortages? What is America thinking"? asked Christopher Hitchens?
Iran is laughing with glee now. They know they have a lightweight pushover running our military now; someone who, in fact, despises the military. Osama Bin Laden, whose recent messages have sounded exactly like Obama campaign messages, has to be rubbing his hands together in anticipation, KNOWING America will return to the Clinton years and not respond strongly to an attack.
Under Bush, world liberals and Islamic terrorists hated us, yes. But they damn sure respected us. Today, they are all laughing at us. This time it's more than partisan spin; it's the truth.
the america my father fought for and my husband and millions of others is rapidly dissappearing.
we really messed up this time,
the poster is right.
if you have friends overseas- ask them truthfully what they think about america now.
I'd be fine with giving Obama a chance if he weren't ignoring sound proven economics principles. We know exactly what stimulates and economy that is in a downturn. We know exactly what retards development. The template is there. Obama refuses to use the one proven to work. This means his goal is something other than the welfare of our country. It's called rebuilding a dependent base.
I'd be fine with giving Obama a chance if he weren't ignoring sound proven economics principles. We know exactly what stimulates and economy that is in a downturn. We know exactly what retards development. The template is there. Obama refuses to use the one proven to work. This means his goal is something other than the welfare of our country. It's called rebuilding a dependent base.
You are ignoring economic priciples. Conservative economic principles have proven to be uneffective. Just give him a chance. Atleast then your complaints might have merit.
Nobody has followed a truly conservative doctrine because its unrealistic. Now I would like to see a source about what you said about obama telling americans they need to learn spanish?
Yes, Ronald Reagan was a conservative and George H.W. Bush was somewhat less so (he eventually did raise tax rates) of a conservative. I think George W. Bush was a puppet of the religious right and not a true conservative.
As far as conservatism being less popular than liberalism (which is what you're implying), why did Kerry always fear to express his principles as liberal? Why did George W. Bush and congressional candidates in his shadow call themselves conservative proudly in 2004? Did you hear Barack Obama proudly calling himself an outright liberal? Conservatism is more popular in the U.S.A. than Liberalism, that is one reason why the 2006 Congressional Democratic takeover was possible only by a bunch of so-called "Blue Dog Democrats".
Sorry. Former Clinton supporter and the Dems crafted the first bailout. I guess that's what Bush gets for reaching across the aisle. He viewed it as a one-shot response in an unprecedented situation necessary to open up liquidity. Bush had the strong anti-tax track record to show he wasn't a socialist.
Contrast this with Obama who saw the first bailout as a chance to advance socialist when he voted for it. With this months even bigger bailout and more promised, it's clear that Obama's views are completely different than Bush's.
You're right!!!The stimulus checks and bailouts are going to the US and not $700-800 billion being handed directly to IRAQ.
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