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it depends on what you mean by shallow, if you are talking strictly on looks then men are shallower but it is not by a lot. if were talking about interests I think that we are equal, a man watching his favorite sports team/player or reading maxim/SI is no different than a girl watching her favorite tv show/movie/celebrity or reading cosmo.
men may appear to be more shallow but that is only because we have no shame. for example the hooters girl pageant it does not get much shallower than that, but that does not mean we do not watch it when it comes on at the bar and I defy you to find a man that would not want to go to vegas and see it live.
PS- and to any women who does find someone who says he does not want to go he is either lying to make you happy or hes batting for the other team
Everyone cares about looks - their own, their potential mates' or both. Everyone cares about money. Everyone cares about success. Everyone objectifies someone else, and most people at least to some degree objectify themselves. I think your typical sci-fi novel has about the same level of "substance" as your typical romance novel. Being a die-hard "New Yorker" fan, I find the suggestion that "Sports Illustrated" is an intellectual's magazine laughable. It offends my intelligence to hear some people say that they go to the gym in order to be "healthy", not for the sake of good looks. The claim that people who read paperback fantasy fluff (even comparatively good fluff) do so because they have an interest in science, or like vivid characters, makes me wince; someone who is truly interested in science reads "Physics Today", not "Star Wars", and someone who likes three-dimensional characters will steer clear of Danielle Steel.
Lest we forget, also, everything in life is good in moderation, including depth and shallowness. Does an interest in fashion make a woman shallow? In the words of Tony Kushner, "the body is the garden of the soul" -- and one should, in fact, tend to that garden, as long as one's priorities are kept in order. It is placing excessive importance on the form that makes one shallow -- and this can be accomplished through asceticism just as easily as through self-indulgence (in fact, I believe asceticism is a form of self-indulgence, but that's a discussion for another day). I have a female co-worker who regularly reads the People magazine and is the admitted shoe-and-handbag queen of the neighborhood -- but she can easily eviscerate most of us here (the OP included -- no offense) with her knowledge of Classical and 19th-century philosophies, and her grasp of rhetoric and argument. I know people who read only serious books and periodicals on the way to work, but in the evening, after a day of hectic strife, they like to kick back and watch or read something silly and arguably "shallow". And I don't think dabbing lip gloss somehow diminishes my intellectual qualities -- the same way that not wearing makeup on principle (or buying a porn magazine that happens to contain some text in it) will not turn a vulgarian into a deep thinker.
Everything in life has its time and place. There is room for bubble gum and room for Dostoyevsky, a time for apples and a time for oranges. Policing the outward trappings of "shallowness" in order to project an image of self-importance -- that, in fact, is incredibly shallow. And in that vein, even the initial post is profoundly shallow (pun intended).
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By the way, lefty, an interesting piece of trivia for you: the so-called "deep" articles and stories are included in boob rags not because there is such a huge market demand for them (although, I will acknowledge that OF COURSE every man on CD buys Playboy primarily for the stories, lol), but in order to ward off obscenity litigation. It's a legal trick -- not some evidence of supposed intellectual curiosity on the part of Playboy "readers".
Everyone cares about looks - their own, their potential mates' or both. Everyone cares about money. Everyone cares about success. Everyone objectifies someone else, and most people at least to some degree objectify themselves. I think your typical sci-fi novel has about the same level of "substance" as your typical romance novel. Being a die-hard "New Yorker" fan, I find the suggestion that "Sports Illustrated" is an intellectual's magazine laughable. It offends my intelligence to hear some people say that they go to the gym in order to be "healthy", not for the sake of good looks. The claim that people who read paperback fantasy fluff (even comparatively good fluff) do so because they have an interest in science, or like vivid characters, makes me wince; someone who is truly interested in science reads "Physics Today", not "Star Wars", and someone who likes three-dimensional characters will steer clear of Danielle Steel.
Lest we forget, also, everything in life is good in moderation, including depth and shallowness. Does an interest in fashion make a woman shallow? In the words of Tony Kushner, "the body is the garden of the soul" -- and one should, in fact, tend to that garden, as long as one's priorities are kept in order. It is placing excessive importance on the form that makes one shallow -- and this can be accomplished through asceticism just as easily as through self-indulgence (in fact, I believe asceticism is a form of self-indulgence, but that's a discussion for another day). I have a female co-worker who regularly reads the People magazine and is the admitted shoe-and-handbag queen of the neighborhood -- but she can easily eviscerate most of us here (the OP included -- no offense) with her knowledge of Classical and 19th-century philosophies, and her grasp of rhetoric and argument. I know people who read only serious books and periodicals on the way to work, but in the evening, after a day of hectic strife, they like to kick back and watch or read something silly and arguably "shallow". And I don't think dabbing lip gloss somehow diminishes my intellectual qualities -- the same way that not wearing makeup on principle (or buying a porn magazine that happens to contain some text in it) will not turn a vulgarian into a deep thinker.
Everything in life has its time and place. There is room for bubble gum and room for Dostoyevsky, a time for apples and a time for oranges. Policing the outward trappings of "shallowness" in order to project an image of self-importance -- that, in fact, is incredibly shallow. And in that vein, even the initial post is profoundly shallow (pun intended).
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By the way, lefty, an interesting piece of trivia for you: the so-called "deep" articles and stories are included in boob rags not because there is such a huge market demand for them (although, I will acknowledge that OF COURSE every man on CD buys Playboy primarily for the stories, lol), but in order to ward off obscenity litigation. It's a legal trick -- not some evidence of supposed intellectual curiosity on the part of Playboy "readers".
Good points...I actually agree with most of that. I find most of what we have available to us for entertainment purposes is incredibly shallow. Personally I wish Jeopardy was more popular than American Idol or Survivor, but sadly, it's not. Personally, I wish Nova and PBS were more popular than Keeping up with the Kardashians and E! Entertainment TV, but it's really not. I wish scientists and inventors were celebrities and sex-tape s-luts and vapid "actresses", but they aren't. Americans are incredibly shallow as a whole...how else would Britney Spears and Paris Hilton be more famous than anyone else?
I think it is close, but men are shallow in ways that are easier to hide. I know guys that have to drive a full sized pickup even though they don't haul very much stuff. My cousin had to buy a truck with a hemi engine. And every guy I know, including myself, buys power tools that are a little more powerful than we really need.
it depends on what you mean by shallow, if you are talking strictly on looks then men are shallower but it is not by a lot. if were talking about interests I think that we are equal, a man watching his favorite sports team/player or reading maxim/SI is no different than a girl watching her favorite tv show/movie/celebrity or reading cosmo.
men may appear to be more shallow but that is only because we have no shame. for example the hooters girl pageant it does not get much shallower than that, but that does not mean we do not watch it when it comes on at the bar and I defy you to find a man that would not want to go to vegas and see it live.
PS- and to any women who does find someone who says he does not want to go he is either lying to make you happy or hes batting for the other team
I wouldn't go.
I think such public displays of filthy lust should be shut down and the organizers of such trashy events chased out of town. But then again such an event would be right at home in Vegas, wouldn't it? The people get what they want... Ultimately they get what they deserve.
Vegas will never have any right to complain about their society being one that trivializes marriage, is known for fornication, adultery, rampant drug use, etc, because their city is built upon immorality and defiance of scripture.
If shallow means being one-dimensional and having a fairly simplistic hierarchy of needs, then I vote for men, myself included, as well as many of the men I know.
That doesn't mean we can't be deep, complex and multifaceted, but I just think women have us beat on those issues. Their needs are more complex, especially around "nesting" issues, child rearing, relationships, etc.
Women have their animal instincts and they are shallow too.
Men want a hot woman. But women want a guy who can take care of them.
This means, women want a guy who is rich, powerful and totally independant. Usually they want a guy who is big and tall too. These things play into their animal instincts of man as the protector and provider for them.
Especially in American culture, women are definantly equally as shallow as men. In the US women basically act like men these days, but that's a whole other topic.
A store that sells husbands has just opened where a woman may go to choose a husband from among many men. The store is composed of 6 floors, and the men increase in positive attributes as the shopper ascends the flights.
There is, however, a catch. As you open the door to any floor you may choose a man from that floor, but if you go up a floor, you cannot go back down except to exit the building. So a woman goes to the shopping center to find a husband.
On the first floor the sign on the door reads:
Floor 1 - These men have jobs.
The woman reads the sign and says to herself, "Well, that's better
than my last boyfriend, but I wonder what's further up?"
So up she goes.
The second floor sign reads:
Floor 2 - These men have jobs and love kids.
The woman remarks to herself, "That's great, but I wonder what's
further up?" And up she goes again.
The third floor sign reads:
Floor 3 - These men have jobs, love kids and are extremely good
looking. "Hmm, better" she says. "But I wonder what's upstairs?"
The fourth floor sign reads:
Floor 4 - These men have jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking
and help with the housework. "Wow!" exclaims the woman, "very
tempting. BUT, there must be more further up!" And again she heads up
another flight.
The fifth floor sign reads:
Floor 5 - These men have jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking,
help with the housework and have a strong romantic streak. "Oh, mercy
me! But just think... what must be awaiting me further on?" So up to
the sixth floor she goes.
The sixth floor sign reads:
Floor 6 - You a re visitor 3,456,789,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please. Thank you for shopping at The Husband Store and have a nice day
PLEASE NOTE:
To avoid gender bias charges, the store's owner opened a New Wives store just across the street.
The first floor has wives that love sex.
The second floor has wives that love sex and drink beer.
The third, fourth, fifth and sixth floors have never been visited.
I'd say this makes men more shollow. Less ambitious maybe, but that's different than being shallow.
Steve
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