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Great Day, Why are you so against paying one additional red cent to help your fellow man???
What if that 'fellow man' is a smoker, a drinker, is obese, or makes poor dietary/lifestyle choices? Why should the rest of us pay for his/her choices? That does not seem quite right to me..
Some propose that this nation change our Health Insurance to a "single payer" or "Universal Health Insurance" similar to what many European countries do / have.
This would mean a government run health program.
Would you be willing to establish a Constitution Amendment, providing for such a program, with all the details furnished, and put it to the states - to the People? And then, let the will of the People, whatever that might be, be the law of the land?
Yes, it needs to happen. We pay the most for health care in the entire world and get the worst results because there are to many middle men sucking up money without providing much actual value. When you are one of the richest countries on Earth but places like Morocco and Thailand have better health care systems then you then you're not doing something right.
The amendment allowing taxation has been at question for years.
Part of the controversy here surrounds the 10th Amendment which limits the powers of the Federal Government.
The other issue would be the "taking" issue (eminent domain).
As an aside - I spend a lot of my money helping my "fellow man". Thanks for asking
You're butchering the constitution. You have no case, all the talk about UHC being unconstitutional is rhetorical.
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Section 8 - Powers of Congress The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes; To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures; To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States; To establish Post Offices and Post Roads; To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court; To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations; To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; To provide and maintain a Navy; To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces; To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. Section 9 - Limits on Congress The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person. The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed. (No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.)(Section in parentheses clarified by the 16th Amendment.) No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State. No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another. No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time. No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State
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Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791.Note The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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Amendment 16 - Status of Income Tax Clarified. Ratified 2/3/1913.NoteHistory
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Get used to MORE of your money helping your 'fellow man'. Hope you at least feel philanthropic about it!!!
And suggesting a need for a constitutional ammendment to either raise taxes on the rich or to have UHC is just plain desperate - and very very dumb.
No, I said the amendment to institute an income tax has been disputed to be legal or not for years. Please, if you are going to quote me - do it right.
And no, none of my money will be deducted for any UHI scheme.
Just as none of my money has gone to Social Security or Medicare in over 3 decades.
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