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Old 03-24-2009, 11:14 AM
 
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700m to Mexico, between 300-900m to Hammas errr Gaza. We seem to have lots of money to give away, the printers must be busy 24/7.
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Old 03-24-2009, 11:17 AM
 
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You must be joking! The Left has been very good at ignoring all the things obama does that they railed against bush for.

They are the epitome of hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty.
I am

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Yeah like Texas,California, Arizona and New Mexico!
They have their own oil fields, let 'em use their own money. How about they get rid of the corruption as a start?
Bush reincarnated??? Seems like...
Oh but Barry is Brilliant, remember? There has to be a very good reason to give $700 billion of our kids money to a corrupt gubmint. We are just not enlightened enough to see it yet.

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The problem that many fail to realize is this: we are the reason for most of Mexico's current problems. It is us (as in the U.S.) that buy more drugs from Mexico than any other country. The drug cartels wouldn't have nearly as much power as they do now if we didn't give them our money!

Now that being said, I don't think we should throw away 700 million dollars to the Mexican government that is falling apart at the seams (the sad thing is, the Mexican government has a really good constitution...it's just not - or cannot be - enforced). This is just a cover and a front for the real underlying problem: our drug habit.

If we simply legalize the drug(s), we put the drug cartels out of business overnight. Problem is solved without sending insane amounts of money to Mexico and without stacking a ridiculous amount of troops at the border (which would cost a pretty penny to do so).

Throwing money at the problem never solved anything. It only creates more problems and leaves the money thrower - i.e. us - in even more debt.
I never did agree with legalizing drugs, but what we are doing is not working. I'm beginning to believe that if we spent half of what we do on the "war" on drugs to fund rehab, it would have a better result. Not to mention the income from taxes and putting the cartels out of business.
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Old 03-24-2009, 11:38 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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True, the left hated it when Bush spent any attention or money outside our borders. This is going to really wizz them off.
Uh...what??? Give examples if you don't mind because as of right now, this post makes no sense whatsoever.
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Old 03-24-2009, 11:40 AM
 
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The problem that many fail to realize is this: we are the reason for most of Mexico's current problems. It is us (as in the U.S.) that buy more drugs from Mexico than any other country. The drug cartels wouldn't have nearly as much power as they do now if we didn't give them our money!

Now that being said, I don't think we should throw away 700 million dollars to the Mexican government that is falling apart at the seams (the sad thing is, the Mexican government has a really good constitution...it's just not - or cannot be - enforced). This is just a cover and a front for the real underlying problem: our drug habit.

If we simply legalize the drug(s), we put the drug cartels out of business overnight. Problem is solved without sending insane amounts of money to Mexico and without stacking a ridiculous amount of troops at the border (which would cost a pretty penny to do so).

Throwing money at the problem never solved anything. It only creates more problems and leaves the money thrower - i.e. us - in even more debt.
People realize it they just don't care. They'd rather waste loads of money "defending the border".
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Old 03-24-2009, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Pensacola, Fl
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People realize it they just don't care. They'd rather waste loads of money "defending the border".
Which is exactly the problem. People think more with their hearts (i.e. emotions) rather than with their heads (i.e. logic); and politicians and political pundits take advantage of this, every time. They know it's easier to win over a crowd with emotions and illogical rhetoric than it is with logic based rational talk.

I don't think we will ever wake up from the surreal dream we currently find ourselves in. Rather than wake up, smell the coffee, and face reality, people would rather live in lala land where it's not their fault that anything bad is happening to them; that it's the other party's fault. Nothing short of a revolution is going to change the sloth and delusional type attitude we have toward our problems. People won't wake up until a man on a horse is trampling down the streets screaming the british are coming. Maybe that's when we'll pull our collective head out of the sand.
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Old 03-24-2009, 11:55 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Default Annex Mexico

Annex Mexico and we solve a bunch of problems. The length of the fence would not need to be as long as on the current border. Martial law could be declared and we could take care of business.
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Old 03-24-2009, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Charleston Sc and Western NC
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Legalize Drugs=A good percentage of society totally reliant on the government to support them.

A Socialist Wet Dream.
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Old 03-24-2009, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Pensacola, Fl
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Annex Mexico and we solve a bunch of problems. The length of the fence would not need to be as long as on the current border. Martial law could be declared and we could take care of business.
Annex Mexico and take on the problems they have? You have got to be kidding me. That would solve absolutely nothing. We'd be better off sending the 700 million to them rather than annexing them. Completely illogical solution that solves nothing.

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Legalize Drugs=A good percentage of society totally reliant on the government to support them.

A Socialist Wet Dream.
Okay, and where do you draw your "a good percentage of society totally reliant on the government to support them" figure from? Out of your ass? Yea, I'm pretty sure that's where it's coming from.
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Old 03-24-2009, 12:21 PM
 
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Legalize Drugs=A good percentage of society totally reliant on the government to support them.
Nah. Prohibition didn't work in the '30s, and it doesn't work now. People will use intoxicants regardless of the law. Indeed, alcohol consumption went up during prohibition, and came down after it was rescinded.

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A Socialist Wet Dream.
Drug legalization is a libertarian idea, not socialist.
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Old 03-24-2009, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Let me get this straight -- the Dems already think we should be encouraging and legalizing the illegal aliens, the vast majority of which are from Mexico, so we are taking care of Mexico's poor; Obama now wants to hand over $700 million MORE to the Mexicans; and Mexico is currently crowing about the 20 percent tariff they added to U.S. imports because we won't let their crappy trucks on our roads. MEANWHILE, went the prime minister of our GREATEST ally comes to visit, Obama treats him in an offhand manner and doesn't even bother to hold a joint press conference or a state dinner.

What gives here? The Obama crowd wants to kiss up to a trashy neighbor and NO GOOD FRIEND, while distancing us from our REAL allies? He's nuts; absolutely, stark raving BONKERS.
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