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So Toyota is taking a lesson from GM's problems and acting early to get government money.....
Doesn't this show that all automakers are in trouble?
I never argued they weren't. The WHOLE WORLD is in a down turn.
The difference is Toyota is in trouble while GM is in TROUBLE.
It's relatively easy for a poorly run company to get by during good times.
It's the downturns are where the poorly run companies show their true colors - and have to face the music.
Such is the case with GM.
It's been poorly run for a long time - and now years of poor decisions are costing the company - and possibly dooming it.
I never argued they weren't. The WHOLE WORLD is in a down turn.
The difference is Toyota is in trouble while GM is in TROUBLE.
It's relatively easy for a poorly run company to get by during good times.
It's the downturns are where the poorly run companies show their true colors.
Such is the case with GM.
It's been poorly run for a long time - and now years of poor decisions are costing the company - and possibly dooming it.
Ken
It would seem part of the reason for GM's problems is its labor costs and pension costs...Toyota doesn't have the same problems.
I simply asked you to explain or quantify your statement for the sake of discussion and clarity. You said every - not me.
~adios.
I sure did say EVERY big car company, and you have yet to prove me wrong.. Your entitled to your OPINION, I'm entitled to mine, now prove my opinion wrong..
Your just arguing for the sake of arguing and I'm no longer going to respond unless you actually post something that disputes what I said with facts.
It would seem part of the reason for GM's problems is its labor costs and pension costs...Toyota doesn't have the same problems.
That is indeed a big part of GM's problems (I have already laid some of the blame on the unions). However, it's also GM's product line and their emphasis on large gas-guzzling vehicles, as well as the public's perception that GM vehicles are of inferior quality to Japanese vehicles - that has lead to GM's problems. THOSE problems fall squarely on the shoulders of management.
That is indeed a big part of GM's problems (I have already laid some of the blame on the unions). However, it's also GM's product line and their emphasis on large gas-guzzling vehicles, as well as the public's perception that GM vehicles are of inferior quality to Japanese vehicles - that has lead to GM's problems. THOSE problems fall squarely on the shoulders of management.
Ken
This has been part of a large philosophical and psychological imprint attached to the Big 3 (and GM in particular) for a long time. What other company has a stigma attached to the purchase of a "Wednesday" product for reliability - and the public knows it?!
Product is also severely hampered by healthcare costs as well....
That is indeed a big part of GM's problems (I have already laid some of the blame on the unions). However, it's also GM's product line and their emphasis on large gas-guzzling vehicles, as well as the public's perception that GM vehicles are of inferior quality to Japanese vehicles - that has lead to GM's problems. THOSE problems fall squarely on the shoulders of management.
Ken
People WANTED those gas guzzlers,people would STILL want them if they felt better about things.
Few people WANT to buy small cars....except those who get pleasure from the sacrifice.
Until gas prices went way up,the automakers were selling quite a lot of those 'gas guzzlers'...you might also want to take a look at the import lines and see how many autos/trucks/SUVs they have that meet the criteria.
I challenge you to list ONE car company of a decent size not facing economic issues at the moment....
My discussion with you is over, since I have asked you numerous times to read ALL of the threads, not selectively pick out the ones you wished. Your arguing for the sake of arguing without disputing facts..
People WANTED those gas guzzlers,people would STILL want them if they felt better about things.
Few people WANT to buy small cars....except those who get pleasure from the sacrifice.
Until gas prices went way up,the automakers were selling quite a lot of those 'gas guzzlers'...you might also want to take a look at the import lines and see how many autos/trucks/SUVs they have that meet the criteria.
The import companies do indeed have such vehicles as well. The difference, is, they didn't DEPEND so heavily on the gas guzzlers - and offered a better balanced portfolio that wasn't so vulnerable to a rise in gas prices.
The import companies do indeed have such vehicles as well. The difference, is, they didn't DEPEND so heavily on the gas guzzlers - and offered a better balanced portfolio that wasn't so vulnerable to a rise in gas prices.
Ken
GM always had its econoboxes.....even has an entire model line(Saturn) that was that way.
But it matters little anymore....unless people want to say that this is the main reason for their problems.
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Your entitled to your OPINION, I'm entitled to mine, now prove my opinion wrong..
