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I'm not going to debate any of the above. Just going to state my personal belief and opinion. I do not trust any poll taken,...even the ones I agree with. Polls can be slanted to guide the person to the answer desired or the results skewed to fit a person's views. Only poll that matters is the one that happens on election day and I'm not talking about exit polling.
My beef is this----he continues to say inherit this inherit that ---- NO SH*T----every president "inherits" the country. So he continues to say inherit but takes no responsibility for anything. So as he continues to say inherit then all of his cabinet says inherit pretty soon all the sheeple say inherit.
Same rule applies for the moronic assertion that I hear all the time - "The failed policies of the last 8 years" ---PBO says it, repeats it and repeats it but that statement is pure stupidity - people seem to forget that we have 3 branches of government---AND the regulatory measures that were relaxed that lead to the sub-prime meltdown and the toxic assets was a reult of the policies of the 90's - with BOTH parties to blame in the legislative branch and the executive branch.
.....VERY much the same as Hannity beating 'socialism' long enough and all the sheeple on the right repeat socialism. - idiotic.
So when I see positngs about Obama's approval ratings I wonder - is this now his presidecny? Does this mean that we no longer have to hear about the "last 8 years" inseasantly?
I'm not going to debate any of the above. Just going to state my personal belief and opinion. I do not trust any poll taken,...even the ones I agree with. Polls can be slanted to guide the person to the answer desired or the results skewed to fit a person's views. Only poll that matters is the one that happens on election day and I'm not talking about exit polling.
Come on, you have to have more to contribute than that?! I wasn't calling Obama a mom, I was using moms as an example of people who are always cleaning up messes they didn't make. You knew that, I just know you did. But we just couldn't miss an opportunity to try to jump on the man. I get it, a lot of you will sieze any opportunity to sling mud. Just please, do it with a little more substance next time. I find it much easier to debate posts with more substance. One liners are hard to discuss.
Sorry padcrasher-the post doesn't wash, while i agree, most American's do no9t bash Obama-and want to see him get things fixed, the majority do not agree with his entire platform on all issues. The Poll's you base your comment on were for the economy-most Americans want him to succeed-you would be a fool not to want this. As for the Right Wing blowhard comment-what is the equivalent for the writers in the New York Times, Washington Post and the networks with their Left Wing mouth pieces. For 8 years we listened to the Left whine and cry about everything Bush did(even before he did anything), and that was called free speech-but if the Right does it, it's being a blowhard? The true meaning of a political liberal is to allow freedom of speech, it allows for different opinions-this was once the beautiful mantra of American Liberalism which was rooted in our fight for independence. Liberals like to coin the phrase Neo Con's for conservatives, well here is what the Left has become-Neo Com's for Communism or rather more like some sort of cross between communism and fascism. Under your rules-no one may question your leader, no one is allowed to speak a difference of opinion. Under your new Mantra, your attacks extend beyond what a candidate might say, to belittling their family or beliefs. No Liberals-you do not deserve this title any longer-actually, only Moderates and yes, even some conservatives hold the one time view of freedom of speech for all Americans as once liberals did. 2009 American Liberalism is beginning to resemble Post World War 1 European Fascism with regard to allowing others views to be heard-and we saw where all that led.
Last, the Right has no corner on the political blowhard market-the truth is, there are actually more Left Wing blowhards, and because the Left controls so much of the media-you only hear about the bad old Right Wing ones. Before you think me Conservative-i am not, I am a moderate who loathes Rush Limbaugh-but I also loathe those TV clowns of the left like Jon Stewart. Thanks to the lunacy of both extremes little is able to get done in this country. So, before casting the first stone lefty, take a long hard look at your side first.
My beef is this----he continues to say inherit this inherit that ---- NO SH*T----every president "inherits" the country. So he continues to say inherit but takes no responsibility for anything. So as he continues to say inherit then all of his cabinet says inherit pretty soon all the sheeple say inherit.
Same rule applies for the moronic assertion that I hear all the time - "The failed policies of the last 8 years" ---PBO says it, repeats it and repeats it but that statement is pure stupidity - people seem to forget that we have 3 branches of government---AND the regulatory measures that were relaxed that lead to the sub-prime meltdown and the toxic assets was a reult of the policies of the 90's - with BOTH parties to blame in the legislative branch and the executive branch.
.....VERY much the same as Hannity beating 'socialism' long enough and all the sheeple on the right repeat socialism. - idiotic.
So when I see positngs about Obama's approval ratings I wonder - is this now his presidecny? Does this mean that we no longer have to hear about the "last 8 years" inseasantly?
Because that assertion is rubbish.
Getting into this game of saying that "all sides are to blame" detracts from the root of the problem. ( And it's why we hear this from the right so much) Yes of course there are PLENTY of bad Democrats. NOBODY here is saying here that Democrats are all that wonderful. But the fact of the matter is right wing ideology has pushed DEREGULATION for thirty years and the GOP is in bed with corporate lobbyists like no other party.
It's a difference of scale and degree...Democrats are mediocre at best....GOPers are rotten to the core.
So Americans must make a choice between the two, mediocre or just plain toxic???????? I'll take mediocre and work to improve the Party.
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Better to look at things with a critical eye than to blindly believe every poll you agree with. I don't trust polls, even the ones I agree with. I've been polled before so I know how skewed they can be. First the interviewer makes a long statement designed to influence your answer to the question that follows. How you answer the question dictates what question comes next, if there's another question at all. The trick is to completely and totally ignore their statement and focus solely on the question and how it's worded. The wording of the question can also lead one to a particular answer and sometimes the choices available aren't necessarily what you would have picked. How the poll is written depends on who's paying for the poll and what results are desired. This is an example of the news media manufactoring the news instead of reporting the news. Who paid for the poll? How many people were polled? What were their geographical location (states)? What was the complete and exact script the pollsters were required to read from? All of these things should have been reported but they never are.
scale and degree??? ---- Barney Frank & Chris Dodd - have been on the respective banking committees for so long and supported a great number of the deregs in the 90's that caused the sub-prime meltdown.
Better to look at things with a critical eye than to blindly believe every poll you agree with. I don't trust polls, even the ones I agree with. I've been polled before so I know how skewed they can be. First the interviewer makes a long statement designed to influence your answer to the question that follows. How you answer the question dictates what question comes next, if there's another question at all. The trick is to completely and totally ignore their statement and focus solely on the question and how it's worded. The wording of the question can also lead one to a particular answer and sometimes the choices available aren't necessarily what you would have picked. How the poll is written depends on who's paying for the poll and what results are desired. This is an example of the news media manufactoring the news instead of reporting the news. Who paid for the poll? How many people were polled? What were their geographical location (states)? What was the complete and exact script the pollsters were required to read from? All of these things should have been reported but they never are.
You just don't like what you are hearing from them...it challenges your right wing programming.....like your fantasy that the right wing is more "American" and more for middle class Americans.
There were about 5 or 6 Polling outfits that got the McCain/Obama Election right within plus or minus 1 basis point....These people know what they are doing and YOU don't have any examples of them being all that far off.
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