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Actually, it was KSM--not Zubaydah--that was waterboarded that many times. My mistake.
I imagine you would be the first crying when the hard times hit. Don't worry.
Someone, (not a liberal, they will be running for their lives and stubbing their toes and falling screaming for their mammies that did not love them for their better natures) probably a normal male, one you normally would look at with disdain, will help you get out of the mud, into a warm place and out of the way of the bad guys.
Then you can start telling him how dumb he is.
Then, you will have to produce something other than whines. Guess that will be a real Oprah moment.
Bush, Cheney, et. al. need to be brought to justice once and for all for their war crimes. This is sickening. It reduces the U.S. to the same level as other fascist societies, in which no Rule of Law applies, and in which the government can perpetrate whatever horrors they wish on another human being. Not to mention their other brilliant successes: a country flooded with illegal immigrants, outsourced American Jobs, failing banks and businesses, the suspension of environmental protection laws, and a crashing economy. Obama needs to appoint a Special Prosecutor. And do it soon.
As it turns out, this story came from a left wing blog (according to reports) and is most likely a lie.
You just can't trust anything from the New York Times (who apparently carried the story) any more.
Funny. I suspected that this was a phony story as soon as I saw this thread.
No...come up with a better analogy. I know that you can do it. Bearing in mind that we often, not always, try to be politically correct, how do you leave a terrorist with sight, hearing, fingers, toes, use of their legs and still scare them enough to spill their guts? Seriously, we're playing global hardball. The people who do this difficult work for a living have managed to prevent numerous terrorist attacks on our nation and people. Bear in mind that there are a host of thwarted attempts which you will never hear of or read about in the papers. We do like our sleep, enjoy feeling safe.
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After the fireman entered and then escaped burning buildings for the 2nd or 50th time, did he not realize that burning buildings weren't dangerous?
If waterboarding is just a little water in the face, painless and harmless, why would it have any influence on making a hardened terrorist confess to anything? What's the point of waterboarding if it's harmless and painless?
ITS NOT TORTURE, jesus.. Find me ONE LEGAL thing ANYWHERE that says it is..
Uncomfortable, scary yes, but not TORTURE
And no, I wouldnt want it to be done to me, but I sure in the heck would be abdicating the killing of innocent civilians either..
do you think pulling out fingernails is torture lol so conservatives think not, the US has used torture against its citizens, physchiatric experiments on certain people, dr heath.
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Originally Posted by Gerania No...come up with a better analogy. I know that you can do it. Bearing in mind that we often, not always, try to be politically correct, how do you leave a terrorist with sight, hearing, fingers, toes, use of their legs and still scare them enough to spill their guts? Seriously, we're playing global hardball. The people who do this difficult work for a living have managed to prevent numerous terrorist attacks on our nation and people. Bear in mind that there are a host of thwarted attempts which you will never hear of or read about in the papers. We do like our sleep, enjoy feeling safe.
so where are the stops, where do they happen, i never heard of the preventions during the other era either...
continuning meddling in other countries affairs to secure our interest will continue to cause problems. theres not a different feeling from now to the clinton days.
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy As it turns out, this story came from a left wing blog (according to reports) and is most likely a lie.
You just can't trust anything from the New York Times (who apparently carried the story) any more.
Funny. I suspected that this was a phony story as soon as I saw this thread.
Waterboarding these terrorists was a waste of time. They should have been sent to an urgent meeting with Allah. I don't think any valuable information was gained from them.
The real problem is dealing not with arch-terrorists, but suspects with no solid evidence against them. Thousands of these were arrested for no better reason then a rumor, a word from an informant, or just because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Bush, Cheney, et. al. need to be brought to justice once and for all for their war crimes. This is sickening. It reduces the U.S. to the same level as other fascist societies, in which no Rule of Law applies, and in which the government can perpetrate whatever horrors they wish on another human being. Not to mention their other brilliant successes: a country flooded with illegal immigrants, outsourced American Jobs, failing banks and businesses, the suspension of environmental protection laws, and a crashing economy. Obama needs to appoint a Special Prosecutor. And do it soon.
Wouldn't you think that after the fourth or fifth time that he would have come to the realization that they weren't going to actually drown him? After a while wouldn't it really lose it's effectiveness? You would think so.
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Why are people argueing about what is and what isn't torture???
The dictionary clearly states the definition of torture, and waterboarding meets that definition!!!
torture definition | Dictionary.com
tor⋅ture /ˈtɔrtʃər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [tawr-cher] Show IPA noun, verb, -tured, -tur⋅ing.
–noun 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.
–verb (used with object) 6. to subject to torture.
7. to afflict with severe pain of body or mind: My back is torturing me.
8. to force or extort by torture: We'll torture the truth from his lips!
9. to twist, force, or bring into some unnatural position or form: trees tortured by storms.
10. to distort or pervert (language, meaning, etc.).
No one can "sanely" suggest waterboarding is not torture.
You may attempt to argue the justification of torture, but to deny that it is torture is on it's own merits, untrue!!
Incorrect, waterboarding causes severe discomfort and messes with the mind, its not pain
Furthermore, the procedure is allowed under US law, if Democrats think its wrong, and now have control of all 3 branches of government, maybe they should make it illegal..
Okay let's play silly word games in order to denude ourselves of the truth.
You say it's NOT pain, it's "SEVERE DISCOMFORT"
The dictionary gives the definition of discomfort as "mild pain" which totally contradicts your assertion that discomfort can be defined as "SEVERE DISCOMFORT"
You also state that it "messes with the mind". Read no#4 of the DEFINITION of torture and you will see that anguish of the MIND is also considered torture.
I find it hard that any intelligent person can say that a person going through the physical and mental trauma of drowning is only in discomfort!!!!!
dis⋅com⋅fort /dɪsˈkʌmfərt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [dis-kuhm-fert] Show IPA
–noun 1. an absence of comfort or ease; uneasiness, hardship, or mild pain.
2. anything that is disturbing to or interferes with comfort.
–verb (used with object) 3. to disturb the comfort or happiness of; make uncomfortable or uneasy.
Please name one soldier prosecuted for waterboarding......just name one. You can't, you wont be able to because no ones been indicted or prosecuted!!!!!! Where did you make that up from?
General Jacob H. Smith, 1901.
Major Edwin G. Glenn, 1902.
Yukio Asano, 1947
Unnamed U.S. soldier, 1968
Sheriff James Parker, 1983
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"Waterboarded 183 times"? A lie.
