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Venezuela is one country that actually GIVES humanitarian aid to the US, Millions of households benefit from free oil supplied by the Venezuelan people each year. Thank you for the heating oil this winter Mr. Chavez.
Please.... you, Joe Kennedy, and Robert Kennedy Jr are nothing more than "useful idiots."
W/o Partisan biasness I want to know what makes Castro and Chavez so bad compared to Bush....
Buddy, just the fact that you can ask that question in all seriousness is just astounding. It's truly astounding and shows a profound ignorance well beyond my capacity to inform.
Buddy, just the fact that you can ask that question in all seriousness is just astounding. It's truly astounding and shows a profound ignorance well beyond my capacity to inform.
And why is that Neil? because I am actually comparing an AMERICA president to international scum?
Mmm ok I'm sorry i am not like yourself and many others who can offset facts and act like nothing an American President does is EVER wrong.
Like I said Bush is probably vilified and perceived as a worse leader than Chavez and Castro combined!
My point of asking the original question is, (IMO) it is amazing how we look and talk down on other leaders around the world as if our last leader wasn't one of the worst.
Please.... you, Joe Kennedy, and Robert Kennedy Jr are nothing more than "useful idiots."
Um, no, the US president and the US Congress and the US oil companies that stood aside and let Chavez make the country look stupid were the "useful idiots."
What can the president of the U.S.A learn from this tyrents? Why is he meeting with them? They have more blood on their hands from killing people that disagree with them.It should be a crime agianst humanity to meet with theese murderers,and they should be put in jail.
Probably about as much as these Presidents and for similar reasons:
Yeah, and Saddam was the "duly elected leader" of the Iraqi people too, right?
Ah...so it's all our fault and the poor downtrodden worker's advocate, Senor Chavez from Venezuela, is being vilified by those evil business interests. Those evil businessmen with their profits...with their capitalism....they are just out to get the poor hero of our Venezuelan worker friends.
I see, and the fact that he works against our national interest is immaterial? His collusion with Iran should just be ignored? His rhetoric and his actions don't mean anything, right? We're the ones who are to blame and we should just leave him alone, right?
I just shake my head and can't believe that people can be so naive. Of course if you're naive, that's no big deal. The real problem is when our President is also naive. That makes me concerned.
the naive people are the ones who do NOT know how Saddam got to the power...once they will find out...they will scratch they head
I'm an American citizen and don't need any experience in Venezuela to take its leader at his word that he is not a friend of my country. If you are in such awe of Chavez, they have flights to Caracas leaving all the time.
spoken like a TRUE settler.
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Originally Posted by neil0311
So your point is that you can't have an understanding of an international issue or form an educated opinion unless you've been to the country and understand its inner workings....is that right? So using your twisted logic, most of the liberals in this country should shut up about Iraq and Iran, given they've never been there and have no experience with those countries.
Do I have you correctly?
"sometimes I do things people do not like, but I still do them"
Dubay.
Important information about how Chavez has acted in the past and important enough for forward looking solutions.
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Moreover, administrative
shabbiness and corruption last year allowed some
270 tons of cocaine to pass through Venezuela bound
for the United States and Europe.
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Captured
Reyes computer files (the files survived the attack
because they were stored in a steel safe) show that
Chávez may have offered to send up to 300 million
dollars to the FARC; coordinated diplomatic moves
with them; provided guns, rocket propelled grenade
launchers, and thousands of rounds of ammunition;
as well as sanctuary within Venezuela.
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At some point, the conspiratorial and bullying
Chávez imperio will end because of corruption,
administrative incompetence, and the democratic
yearnings of the Venezuelan people. Venezuela can
then resume its role as constructive member of the
international community. Colombia seems to be on
its way to peace and security, but needs continued
support from its neighbors. In the meantime, a blind
anti-American and anti-democratic populist rage, fed
by dysfunctional state systems, massive poverty, and
social exclusion, is alive across a number of countries,
complicating the defense agendas of governments,
forcing counterproductive compromises between
internal and external domains.45 Populist governments
tend to be idealists on national defense, relying on
diplomacy and “development” to solve conflict,
often running away from the deterrent potential of
the military instrument, while making deals with
the devil and distancing themselves from the United
States.
You give no room for people as oppressive as Chavez. He has literally looked at military means to control local governments which is beyond defensible in what we think of as democratic societies.
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I'm an American citizen and don't need any experience in Venezuela to take its leader at his word that he is not a friend of my country. If you are in such awe of Chavez, they have flights to Caracas leaving all the time.
So your point is that you can't have an understanding of an international issue or form an educated opinion unless you've been to the country and understand its inner workings....is that right? So using your twisted logic, most of the liberals in this country should shut up about Iraq and Iran, given they've never been there and have no experience with those countries.
Do I have you correctly?
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Yes, especially when the media of your country, and mine, (USA) lies about the country because it is in the interests of their conglomerates' financial interest to do so.
The "factual" news vs the US news, as they say.
The truth does tend to come out, though- if a country is interested enough in an oversea's event. Which is why, despite the best lies of the media, most Americans do know the basic score on Iraq.
Alas, there is zero interest in Latin America among the general populace here. So, the corporate lies have persisted- to a greater degree.
And I usually fly Varig to Rio, fyi.
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