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I understand that. Right now, neither (gay marriage or civil unions) is recognized in many states. I think the push for marriage and labeling anyone who doesn't want that as a bigot probably slows progress on it. I think people would be more willing to accept civil unions. It requires a change in either case. I agree that right now the situation is unfair.
Great reply. It's not often you'll get a reply like this on this issue. I think all of the extreme opposition is what fuels the bigot labeling. And the harsh statements on both sides fuel anger and resentment amongst many. I'm not sure that's going to cool down. I think gay rights activists need a leader and a central message that can break through common opinions and cut down on the anger.
I don't think of those opposed to gay marriage as bigots, but it's difficult to ignore the similarities of this issue and the interracial marriage issue. The same "unnatural" arguments were used for that one too - and still are by some. It comes down to a comfort level and acceptance of someone who is different than you. I just can't understand how all the religious die-hards can take such an absolute position on this issue when religion (and the Bible specifically) is open to vastly different interpretations.
Every state recognizes marriage. How many recognize civil unions?
How many employers/hospitals/etc recognize civil unions and offer partners the same rights and benefits as they would a spouse? That's where the inequality comes in. It's not universally recognized.
If all those opposed to gay marriage were to approve of civil unions being recognized universally the same way marriage is, just without the term "marriage" being used, there would be no issue for most people. But that is not the case.
Do you not realize that I do not have access to my husbands medical records unless he says I do! Because of Hippa.....
In fact some Dr's will not even let you make a appointment for your spouse which I think is ridiculous.
I have been married 19 years!
Where is your argument now
Utimately I think it is a matter of equality. As long as there is a distinction it invalidates the union of a gay couple. We can't allow them to marry because it is a sacred union between a man and woman. That type of mentality is invalidating to the union between like sexes. All consensual unions should be treated equally by the state. Call it marriage, call it civil union I don't care, just ensure its fair and equal for all unions. If as a man, I proclaim my love for a man who is anyone to say that is less valid than love between a man and a woman. Love is love and if we had more love in the world, we wouldn't even be discussing this issue of inequality. This truly is the last acceptable form of discrimination for many people.
Well she represents California pretty well given the voted to BAN GAY MARRIAGE.
She represents a small majority based on what we saw six months ago. I predict that by November 2010, if same-sex marriage is on the ballot again in California, it will win, and the ban will be removed.
I agree with you 150%. Perez Hilton is a nobody IMO. He has an internet blog show...Big freaking deal, ANYONE can do that.
Perez Hilton, Rosie O'Donnell and other radical gays are the reason MOST people can't stand us.
I don't think that "most people can't stand us". And if someone doesn't like gays in general, it's not because of Hilton, O'Donnell, and other "radical gays".
Great reply. It's not often you'll get a reply like this on this issue. I think all of the extreme opposition is what fuels the bigot labeling. And the harsh statements on both sides fuel anger and resentment amongst many. I'm not sure that's going to cool down. I think gay rights activists need a leader and a central message that can break through common opinions and cut down on the anger.
Thanks. I agree with you. The "conversation" is frequently dominated by the extremes, and the people in the middle get lost in it. Unfortunately, those that are in the middle are probably the majority and have a lot of common ground.
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I don't think of those opposed to gay marriage as bigots, but it's difficult to ignore the similarities of this issue and the interracial marriage issue. The same "unnatural" arguments were used for that one too - and still are by some. It comes down to a comfort level and acceptance of someone who is different than you. I just can't understand how all the religious die-hards can take such an absolute position on this issue when religion (and the Bible specifically) is open to vastly different interpretations.
I think there are various reasons why people may not want to have marriage, and unfortunately some of them are in fact bigots. I just think to help the cause, it would be wiser to understand that there may be other reasons and that not everyone with a differing opinion is a bigot, though some may be.
She represents a small majority based on what we saw six months ago. I predict that by November 2010, if same-sex marriage is on the ballot again in California, it will win, and the ban will be removed.
We shall see. As of right now she represents the state of California's beliefs, whether it be a small majority or not it's still the majority.
I don't think that "most people can't stand us". And if someone doesn't like gays in general, it's not because of Hilton, O'Donnell, and other "radical gays".
Maybe not, but their attitudes definitely don't make matters any easier for us either.
The more they pitch a fit over it the more ridiculous they all look.
Why would you think it could pass in 2010?
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