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Old 05-01-2009, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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a gay person cannot openly express his sexual preference and still keep his job in the military.Ken
You are confusing "military policy" with "rights".
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Old 05-01-2009, 06:24 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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You are confusing "military policy" with "rights".
So gee I guess if Gay folks were not allowed to vote then that would just be "government policy" eh?


It's "policy" to you because it doesn't impact YOU.
To those impacted - it's their RIGHTS!

Ken
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Old 05-01-2009, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Don't ask, don't tell should be eliminated.
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Old 05-01-2009, 06:42 PM
 
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Let's see:

In the military, gays are not allowed to express their sexuality (regarding the fact that many gays have served in the US Army)

In most states, gays are not allowed to marry or adopt children

Some hospitals won't even serve them because of their sexuality. It's despicable.
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Some hospitals won't even serve them because of their sexuality.
Ummm...you have a link for that?

If you're talking about the hospital visitations, I agree it's terrible. But I'm not aware of any cases where hospitals have refused treatment because someone is gay.
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:57 PM
 
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If you're talking about the hospital visitations, I agree it's terrible. But I'm not aware of any cases where hospitals have refused treatment because someone is gay.
Yeah, I almost said something too because I've never heard of that either.

Maybe she's referring to this story:

California doctors can't refuse fertility treatments to lesbians on religious grounds, court rules - Los Angeles Times
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Old 05-01-2009, 09:14 PM
 
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Yeah, I almost said something too because I've never heard of that either.

Maybe she's referring to this story:

California doctors can't refuse fertility treatments to lesbians on religious grounds, court rules - Los Angeles Times
Absolutely... many doctors on "religious" grounds have tried to deny treatment to gays... did you see that commercial about gay marriage... you know the one with the storms that Colbert mocked... one of the actors said something about compromising her morals as a doctor... a lot of folks out there think it's ok to not treat gay people; it's insane.
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Old 05-01-2009, 09:41 PM
 
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did you see that commercial about gay marriage... you know the one with the storms that Colbert mocked... one of the actors said something about compromising her morals as a doctor... a lot of folks out there think it's ok to not treat gay people; it's insane.
Yeah, but there's also a strong libertarian streak in a lot of Americans that I can relate to. Should a private doctor be required to treat someone he or she doesn't like (for whatever reason)? In a public hospital or an emergency room, no, no one should be refused treatment, but I do think a private doctor should be able to refuse non-emergency treatment if he or she wants to.
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Old 05-02-2009, 03:44 AM
 
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so you can't name one. just like I thought. I didn't lay out terms for a debate. I asked you to name a right a straight person had that a gay person did not. you can't do it, so you refer to an individual as a "wingnut." whatever the hell a "wingnut" is.
A wingnut is a crazy person. I don't think you're crazy. I think you are either small minded or unintelligent.

I haven't read all of these posts so I don't know if anyone else has pointed this out. Straight people have the right to marry the one they fall in love with and to whom they are sexually attracted. Gays do not have this right.

- Reel
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Old 05-02-2009, 03:57 AM
 
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you know this wouldn't be an issue if the government had not been involved in the first place. government does not grant rights, it protects them. this is a man made issue.
Well you are correct so I guess you are not unintelligent. One of those rights is liberty. Liberty is the right to be left alone by government unless my actions infringe upon someone else's rights or there is some state interest in having my liberty restricted. Of course substantive due process is necessary in order to determine if these 'state interests' are legitimate.

Obviously gay marriage does not infringe on anyone else's rights. I have yet to see any due process never mind substantive due process used to determine a legitimate state interest in making gay marriage illegal.

- Reel
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