More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time (independent, support)
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Miscarriage means loss of an embryo or fetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. Most miscarriages occur during the first 14 weeks of pregnancy. The medical term for miscarriage is spontaneous abortion.
Oh, please! Anyone can look a word up in the dictionary. There are usually several meanings. I'm sure your definition is correct, but that wasn't my point.
I would never compare a miscarriage by a woman who is trying to have a child with an abortion. I also had an ectopic pregnancy which had to be terminated. Although I am pro choice, please don't come back and tell me that's the same as an abortion!
Why are men so weak? Can't they control themselves?
No sperm, no pregnancy, no abortion.
It takes two to tango or are you saying that women are mindless objects under the control of mans will and therefore should not be considered when determining responsibility in this action?
You misunderstood my larger point, which is that spontaneous abortions are more common than pro-lifers realize, and that the great majority of abortions that ever occur occur naturally (ie via self-destructing faulty paternal and/or maternal genes). Nature ensures that these embryos never survive. Then, there are spontaneous abortions that are caused by maternal and/or paternal exposure to toxins (eg, tobacco and alcohol). Yet we don't hear pro-lifers a). fulminating against tobacco and alcohol companies or b). forcing every female to monitor for potential self-terminating pregnancies. I mean, if you're a staunch pro-lifer who actually understands science, these are things you should be doing.
So because this happens naturally or under various indirect and unintentional actions, it justifies the intentional action of it?
If we are to assume this is correct in its logic, then could we not apply the same via murder? That is, nature sees to the premature end of many adults for various reasons and people constantly die due to unintentional or indirect actions so in concluding based on your presentation of logic, killing people is acceptable?
Oh, please! Anyone can look a word up in the dictionary. There are usually several meanings. I'm sure your definition is correct, but that wasn't my point.
I would never compare a miscarriage by a woman who is trying to have a child with an abortion. I also had an ectopic pregnancy which had to be terminated. Although I am pro choice, please don't come back and tell me that's the same as an abortion!
While morally it may be different than an abortion, medically, the only difference is the cause.
It takes two to tango or are you saying that women are mindless objects under the control of mans will and therefore should not be considered when determining responsibility in this action?
My suggestion that men abstain from sex is for those men out there who are so gung ho aganist abortion rights. If you don't like abortion, don't have one AND don't get anyone pregnant who might have one. Pretty simple.
Why don't the pro-choice people admit that they are pro-abortion? Abortion is a much harder word to swallow than choice! Every one is pro-choice!!!!!!! Some of us choose to be pro-life so why should we call it anything different!
Why don't the pro-choice people admit that they are pro-abortion? Abortion is a much harder word to swallow than choice! Every one is pro-choice!!!!!!! Some of us choose to be pro-life so why should we call it anything different!
Pro-Choice does not mean pro-abortion. I choose not have an abortion but believe that a woman can have an abortion if she so chooses. Therefore, I am Pro-Choice.
Why don't Pro-Lifers call themselves Pro-life Before Birth After That You're On Your Own?
Oh, please! Anyone can look a word up in the dictionary. There are usually several meanings. I'm sure your definition is correct, but that wasn't my point.
I would never compare a miscarriage by a woman who is trying to have a child with an abortion. I also had an ectopic pregnancy which had to be terminated. Although I am pro choice, please don't come back and tell me that's the same as an abortion!
Perhaps you should have read the whole thread before you first "correct" me, then attack me. My initial response was to someone who questioned the merging of miscarriages and abortions. I noted that miscarriages are abortions though not induced abortions which are what we normally mean when we say "abortion". You said I was wrong and "corrected" me. I corrected you. You got snarky.
Why don't the pro-choice people admit that they are pro-abortion? Abortion is a much harder word to swallow than choice! Every one is pro-choice!!!!!!! Some of us choose to be pro-life so why should we call it anything different!
I marvel at all the various ways the anti-abortionists have manipulated language over the years. Try as we might, we can't keep up or stay ahead. I can't wait until they start calling sperm and ovum "baby-seeds". Then all you folks using birth control and you guys jerking off and spilling your baby-seeds are in trouble! Baby seed killers!!111
Last edited by Sagran; 05-18-2009 at 09:36 PM..
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