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Old 05-21-2009, 04:29 PM
 
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A claimed crime... Yes, we will see soon how much of a claim it is. The POTUS is elected into office as Commander and Chief to defend the Constitution, not descimate it. What do you think the CIA tells truth? Case in point, the false intell resulting from the Iraq War... Who should be held accountable to on this, should it be Bush/Cheney or the CIA?
I note how you continue to change the topic, unable to answer the question asked,

WHY DO YOU NOT CARE IF THE CIA LIES?

How can you justify going after a "claimed" crime, (yes, at this point, its nothing more than an allegation) and justify not going after another "claimed" crime, lying to Congress?

Maybe we need to investigate what Pelosi says to find out if we are in a war we shouldnt be in due to LIES.. Or find out if the CIA does indeed lie to congress.. Why do you keep changing the subject to Bush/Cheney and avoiding the questions of YOUR OWN THREAD?
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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Pelosi, Graham and Rockefeller all state that the CIA did not speak to them of the torture. The CIA says it can't rely on its own notes. If you think the CIA
doesn't lie to everybody, you have tons of history books to read. They morphed after WW II into a corrupt agency without oversight, and so large that even they don't know what other parts of the Company are doing. If there had been no torture, there would be no thread, no need to ask about what any senators knew. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Gonzalez knew;
that is the starting point, not briefings to legislators on what was already
going on. DUH!!
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:55 PM
 
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Pelosi, Graham and Rockefeller all state that the CIA did not speak to them of the torture. The CIA says it can't rely on its own notes. If you think the CIA
doesn't lie to everybody, you have tons of history books to read. They morphed after WW II into a corrupt agency without oversight, and so large that even they don't know what other parts of the Company are doing. If there had been no torture, there would be no thread, no need to ask about what any senators knew. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and Gonzalez knew;
that is the starting point, not briefings to legislators on what was already
going on. DUH!!
Jees, if there was no "CIA lie" about WMD's there would have been no Iraqi invasion.. Now matter how you try to spin it, the answer is DID THE CIA LIE TO CONGRESS or Pelosi.. ONE OF THEM COMMITTED A CRIME..
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:59 PM
 
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:03 PM
 
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If you thought for a minute that the Democrats were going to investigate Pelosi, your a fool. If you think thats what this motion was about, your a fool.. The motion is about showing how Democrats are hypocrits by calling for an investigation into Bush, while defending one of their own..

What are the Democrats afriad of? mmmm..
What is Cheney afraid of...hmmmm?

Yuppers! The repubs are evilly twisting this, saying:

""We want Pelosi investigated so the spotlight is on her and not the fact that we did pretty much the same thing...it's just bad if a Democrat does it"
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:03 PM
 
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Jees, if there was no "CIA lie" about WMD's there would have been no Iraqi invasion.. Now matter how you try to spin it, the answer is DID THE CIA LIE TO CONGRESS or Pelosi.. ONE OF THEM COMMITTED A CRIME..
Just a correction here. It wasn't really the CIA lying bout WMDs, it was Cheney/Rumsfeld's own investigation that followed known bad intelligence regarding Curveball that was used to push the war. The CIA validated it later under political pressure.

CIA is usually the whipping boy when things go horribly wrong.
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:06 PM
 
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Jees, if there was no "CIA lie" about WMD's there would have been no Iraqi invasion.. Now matter how you try to spin it, the answer is DID THE CIA LIE TO CONGRESS or Pelosi.. ONE OF THEM COMMITTED A CRIME..
"ONE of them committed a crime"......and bush/Cheney/rummy/Rove/repubSenators.... were all outside just playing croquet and had nothing to with it.....ya...
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:06 PM
 
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Just a correction here. It wasn't really the CIA lying bout WMDs, it was Cheney/Rumsfeld's own investigation that followed known bad intelligence regarding Curveball that was used to push the war.

CIA is usually the whipping boy when things go horribly wrong.
Who was lying when Bill Clinton and Hillary and Pelosi and all of Clintons people said there were wmds long before Bush got to washington?

I just cant help but laugh how its Only BUSH and co lying while ignoring the long list of democrats that said the same thing long before Bush came along. It only became a lie when Bush said it. Amazing how that happens
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:09 PM
 
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Who was lying when Bill Clinton and Hillary and Pelosi and all of Clintons people said there were wmds long before Bush got to washington?
This is why harping on the lie is retarded. They never attacked because they didn't feel like they had actionable intelligence. Bush attacked, and thus he is culpable for the war. Don't blame that **** on the previous administration because that is absolutely insane.

People are missing the forest for the trees.

People were tortured.
We killed people in a dumb war.

If no one lied would any of it be justified?
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:09 PM
 
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Who was lying when Bill Clinton and Hillary and Pelosi and all of Clintons people said there were wmds long before Bush got to washington?

I just cant help but laugh how its Only BUSH and co lying while ignoring the long list of democrats that said the same thing long before Bush came along. It only became a lie when Bush said it. Amazing how that happens
Yup, afterall, he WAS the President and the whole issue took place in HIS administration......but repubs can NEVER take the high road...they feel they can lie with the cheap wimpy excuse that "duh, da odder guy did it"....
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