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View Poll Results: Should The U.S. Stop The North Korean Ship
yes 43 63.24%
no 12 17.65%
other 3 4.41%
not sure 10 14.71%
Voters: 68. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-19-2009, 02:57 PM
 
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Originally Posted by equality4all View Post
The Iraq war was nothing more than a war of aggression. It was launched by a reckless and inept President and Administration, and we did NOT have the backing of "quite a few" countries:

Do some Homework for a change:

"Four countries participated with troops during the initial invasion phase, which lasted from March 20 to May 1. These were the United States (248,000), United Kingdom (45,000), Australia (2,000), and Poland (194)."

2003 invasion of Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Other countries only agreed to join in the "clean up" only after the highly internationally unpopular invasion.

In this case, we are fully justified and should do something about North Korea. They have a madman as a leader and they have nukes and the ability and desire to deploy them. They're threatening to fire a missile at Hawaii on the 4th of July for god's sake!!!

Sadam Hussein's Iraq, while a terribile place indeed, posed almost zero threat to the United States.
I'm not going to engage in a back-and-forth with you regarding Iraq and our allies, but I can tell you that you shouldn't rely on Wikipedia for your "source". I was in Iraq (twice), and there's alot more to it than to simply suggest that only 4 countries contributed to the war. That couldn't be farther from the truth. Four countries may have only fired their weapons, but you completely omit the fact that many other countries provided direct support to us and our allies during the invasion. Example? I was flown into the combat zone on a Japanese C-130 aircraft by a Japanese crew. Abandon Wiki. You'll feel alot better.
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Old 06-19-2009, 04:14 PM
 
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No, but if they launch a missile towards Hawaii we should sink their entire fleet, carpet bomb their factorys, and freeze their assets. On the second day they might be willing to talk with us.

They are just going to launch a missle toward the center of the pacific ocean. Where Hawaii happens to be. Any other direction really would be over land. They could make it go to the left or right of Hawaii, but still in that general direction. Don't think they have any intention of hitting land. It has to go in that direction for the first stage booster not to hit any land mass or soverign national waters. He just up to his usuall BS trying to get money from wealthy industrial countries.
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Old 06-19-2009, 04:25 PM
 
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The Iraq war was nothing more than a war of aggression. It was launched by a reckless and inept President and Administration, and we did NOT have the backing of "quite a few" countries:
The axis of evil is playing out exactly as was stated it would...
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Old 06-19-2009, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by equality4all View Post
The Iraq war was nothing more than a war of aggression. It was launched by a reckless and inept President and Administration, and we did NOT have the backing of "quite a few" countries:

Do some Homework for a change:

"Four countries participated with troops during the initial invasion phase, which lasted from March 20 to May 1. These were the United States (248,000), United Kingdom (45,000), Australia (2,000), and Poland (194)."

2003 invasion of Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Other countries only agreed to join in the "clean up" only after the highly internationally unpopular invasion.

In this case, we are fully justified and should do something about North Korea. They have a madman as a leader and they have nukes and the ability and desire to deploy them. They're threatening to fire a missile at Hawaii on the 4th of July for god's sake!!!

Sadam Hussein's Iraq, while a terribile place indeed, posed almost zero threat to the United States.
so if Germany was no threat to the U.S. in 1943 should we have stood by and watched Hitler kill millions?
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Old 06-19-2009, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Originally Posted by equality4all View Post
The Iraq war was nothing more than a war of aggression. It was launched by a reckless and inept President and Administration, and we did NOT have the backing of "quite a few" countries:

Do some Homework for a change:

"Four countries participated with troops during the initial invasion phase, which lasted from March 20 to May 1. These were the United States (248,000), United Kingdom (45,000), Australia (2,000), and Poland (194)."

2003 invasion of Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Other countries only agreed to join in the "clean up" only after the highly internationally unpopular invasion.

In this case, we are fully justified and should do something about North Korea. They have a madman as a leader and they have nukes and the ability and desire to deploy them. They're threatening to fire a missile at Hawaii on the 4th of July for god's sake!!!

Sadam Hussein's Iraq, while a terribile place indeed, posed almost zero threat to the United States.
It wasn't a "war of aggression." It was a resumption of military action because the cease-fire agreement and resolution 1441 were broken.

And I didn't need to look that up in Wikipedia. YOU are the one who should do the homework!
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Old 06-19-2009, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Omaha
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Should The U.S. Stop The North Korean Ship?

Two Koreas talk on factory park; U.S. tracks ship - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090619/ts_nm/us_korea_north_15 - broken link)
Absolutely, and detain it for the release of the two female journalists. If that doesn't work, intercept as many ships as it takes to do so.

I'm sure it's not that easy, but what other leverage would we have if we don't turn into a bunch of pirates ourselves?
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Old 06-19-2009, 08:04 PM
 
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I say sink the ship and be done with it. Let them **** and moan and send another one...sink that one too !

N.Korea needs to be stopped and put in their place. That country is so isolated its a shame. It's like one big cult following.
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Old 06-19-2009, 08:33 PM
 
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100 dollars says that it's a trap.

We'll stop the ship and when our men get aboard and throw the tarp aside there will be a cargo of cabbage and peas.

Then the European countries will criticize us and we'll apologize because we don't want them to hate us and we'll do some soul searching and the liberals will furrow their brows declaring that we are the problem with the world and the women with hairy armpits will put a bumper sticker on their car telling us to coexist, etc...etc...
My sentiments exactly.
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I hope Obama handles this correctly.
I don't think there is a correct or incorrect way to handle the situation. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

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Don't really have international rights to stop it while in international waters. We can ask to board the ship, and of course the North Koreans will refuse. What our main goal is to do is escort the ship to the next refueling port, and ask that country to refuse the refueling of the ship. Then the ship cannot go anywhere, and is stuck in that port. What we are doing is trying to stop the North Koreans from making money so that they have to agree with the United Nations Protocol it has laid down to the north Koreans. I think that it a very smart form of diplomacy. It takes away the military Ace of spades the North Koreans think they have in their poker hand!!!!!Makes them have to make a first military move which hopefully they will not.
I agree wholeheartedly. He's calling our bluff in hopes that we make the first move.

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No, but if they launch a missile towards Hawaii we should sink their entire fleet, carpet bomb their factorys, and freeze their assets. On the second day they might be willing to talk with us.
Now this I agree with, when they decide to make the first move then we take action. But until then, we need to sit back, observe and plan our next move. IMO
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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No, but if they launch a missile towards Hawaii we should sink their entire fleet, carpet bomb their factorys, and freeze their assets. On the second day they might be willing to talk with us.
This is at one and the same time very real and one of the funniest posts I have seen all week.
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:46 PM
 
Location: here.
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so if Germany was no threat to the U.S. in 1943 should we have stood by and watched Hitler kill millions?
how many has NK killed?
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