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Old 06-29-2009, 12:48 PM
 
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So, everyone from NASA to Shell Oil is in on some kind of vast, global conspiracy to defraud humanity? Right.

Almost every organization researching climate change has the data to prove the planets warming trend, but piggy-backs off the IPCC on the carbon/warming models. The IPCC is one of the worst run 'science' organizations I'd have ever thought imaginable. The models 'predict' the temperature 100 years into the future with +/-500% error margins...so basically the planet could warm 3 degrees...or 15, or -15. Right, save me vote of carbon taxing until they get that shored up, which was my original point.
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Old 06-29-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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Krugman..zero credibility..period
Exactly ... as an economics professor, he understands just how much money there is to be swindled out of the American public ...

Most Harvard types are usually only in it for the money anyhow ... One good look at Capital Hill ought to tell you that.
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Old 06-29-2009, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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You actually prove his point. You can't come up with facts which disprove global climate change. You're not interested in educating yourself in on the issues. You didn't even read the link I provided. It's all about hating the liberals. Whatever.
Please, there are reams of literature on both sides of the issue. It is you who refuses to seek out information which may challenge your world view. Look up global warming skeptics on Google and you will get thousands of hits. Many from reliable sources.

Again the fact that we are talking about climate change instead of global warming is instructive. The whole global warming thing didn't work out so they changed rhetoric. Now whenever the climate changes, as it is wont to do, the hucksters raise their fingers in the air and say, I told you so!
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Old 06-29-2009, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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What's the "agenda," bigskydude? To destroy the world economy? Really? Climatologists from France, Spain, China, Australia--all in cahoots to raise the electricity rates of Americans?

Okay, then.
Reading the actual research from these countries might make you sorry you even posted in favor of climate change science ..
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Old 06-29-2009, 12:56 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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NY Times.

NUFF SAID.

The master of treason newspaper writing treason articles. Too funny.
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Old 06-29-2009, 12:57 PM
 
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Voting for crap and no trade bill = a form of treason
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Old 06-29-2009, 12:58 PM
 
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haha..treason?

Isn't this kinda like the Repugs saying "you're a traitor if you don't support the iraq war." I can taste the irony.

Krugman is also very qualified to speak on anthropogenic global warming because of his extensive scientific background and qualifications.
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Climate Change: Something this 'ole Earth has experienced many times before. And will experience many times in the future.

It is normal. It is cyclical.
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:08 PM
 
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haha..treason?
I tell you what treason is, being a representative of your district and voting yes on bill that had 300 page amendment added a few hours before the vote and you have no clue what's in the bill.
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Old 06-29-2009, 01:14 PM
 
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Climate Change: Something this 'ole Earth has experienced many times before. And will experience many times in the future.

It is normal. It is cyclical.
No matter what your take on our current arguement, this statement is 100% true, and I think we should be directing our resources towards making it through the storm, not controlling it. Recent ice cores (2006) found evidence that at one point the planet dropped 22 degrees in 3 years, previously speeds in delta average temperature were not thought possible. That would be a far worse problem than increasing carbon and temperatures which require us to wear less clothes and farm a larger % of the planet ( I know the implications are bad, just exaggerating).
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