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Old 07-09-2009, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So why is it that American banks are willing to take the money but, unlike their Chinese counterparts, are not "following government orders and flooding the country with loans?" Particularly when there is empirical evidence that it's been a viable plan elsewhere? I don't have a dog in the fight...I'm just another American trying to make sense of it all.
There is no sense to it. The banks gambled and lost and we had to bail them out. They are now hoarding the money the government gave them and using themselves. Maybe they are trading with it after all these are the "investment" banks that got the money. Speculation can yield big rewards you know.
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Reeds Spring, MO
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Banks lend money? Since when?
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:25 PM
 
Location: AL
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Evidence that economic advisers who advocated our own stimulus package
might have been correct. No doubt some will disagree, but if it worked for
China, it just may work for us as well. Most of us would give a huge sigh of
relief.

Good lord..read some history..FDR tried numerous stim. packages..none worked.....only WW2 saved us!

Stim is a failure....just more debt..wait till it has to be paid back..then your really going to see a econ break down!

I swear lib/Dem are insane....even with history against you..you still bang your heads against the same wall.

Look a Japan..how many stim packages and nothing...
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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That's because their stimulus is trageted at real infrastructure spending and consumption, not social spending.

Social spending?

Is that what the kids are calling campaign slush funds these days?
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:35 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Maybe it will wake some people up. China doesn't have to "wait for it to take affect" like we do.
You are right, China does not have the group of people who believe anything and everything their boss (Obama ) tells them like we do.

Maybe Obama send China some of our stimulus money by mistake?

He seems to have the knack of screwing things up pretty easily.
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:37 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Good lord..read some history..FDR tried numerous stim. packages..none worked.....only WW2 saved us!

Stim is a failure....just more debt..wait till it has to be paid back..then your really going to see a econ break down!

I swear lib/Dem are insane....even with history against you..you still bang your heads against the same wall.

Look a Japan..how many stim packages and nothing...
Libs are not good with money at all.

They are good at spending someone else's money and blowing it on bubble gum or something not much needed.

They are not called the tax and spend party for nothing!
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:56 PM
 
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Good lord..read some history..FDR tried numerous stim. packages..none worked.....only WW2 saved us!
In that case you must believe that the stimulus needed to be 7 times larger (cost of ww2 in today's dollars).

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy06/pdf/hist.pdf

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Gov Employees (thousands)
......................... Executive DoD total civilian agencies
1940 .................. 699 256 443
1941 .................. 1,081 556 525
1942 .................. 1,934 1,291 643
1943 .................. 2,935 2,200 735
1944 .................. 2,930 2,246 683
1945 .................. 3,370 2,635 736
1946 .................. 2,212 1,416 795
1947 .................. 1,637 859 777
1948 .................. 1,569 871 698
But isn't that bigger government?
And isn't more government always bad?

Or should gov only expand in emergencies..?

Last edited by compJockey; 07-10-2009 at 12:54 AM..
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Old 07-09-2009, 11:59 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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In that case you must believe that the stimulus needed to be 7 times larger (cost of ww2 in today's dollars).

For some reason people still want to spend more money when in fact this stimulus was wrong from the start and the money was totally misspent on things that did not create jobs at all.

No more spending period.
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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in China folks, not here.

China Car Sales Jump 48% on Economic Stimulus, Most Since 2006 - Bloomberg.com

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"China’s passenger-vehicle sales rose 48 percent in June, the biggest jump since February 2006, as government stimulus spending spurred a revival in the world’s third-largest economy.
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A 4 trillion yuan ($585 billion) economic package has helped China surpass the U.S. as the world’s largest auto market this year.."

A stimulus spent right may work as evidenced by China.
This is good because China does not make cars. They buy them from us.
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Old 07-10-2009, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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This is good because China does not make cars. They buy them from us.
A few Chinese automakers
Chery, Geely, BYD, Great Wall
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