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View Poll Results: Agree or disagree: There is nothing good about President Obama. He's not doing anything right.
Strongly agree 20 35.09%
Mostly agree 6 10.53%
Somewhat agree 2 3.51%
Neither agree nor disagree 2 3.51%
Somewhat disagree 3 5.26%
Mostly disagree 8 14.04%
Strongly disagree 16 28.07%
Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-13-2009, 01:43 PM
 
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I think the frustration is there, but for now, my sense is that those who feel strongly about it are holding back, hoping that things change.
Hopefully.

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The rate of job loss has decreased significantly since January.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/06/bu...my/06jobs.html
Numbers do not lie here but they only tell some of the story.
Jobs are not being lost at the same pace but the number of jobs that are supposed to be created are heading in the wrong direction.
that is why continuing jobless claims are increasing not decreasing.

Continuing claims, meanwhile, unexpectedly jumped to a record-high. While layoffs are slowing, jobs remain scarce and the unemployment rate is rising, which some economists worry could weaken or delay a recovery. The unemployment rate rose to 9.5 percent last month and is expected to top 10 percent by the end of this year.

The Associated Press: 565K new jobless claims, lowest level since Jan.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:48 PM
 
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Numbers do not lie here but they only tell some of the story.
Jobs are not being lost at the same pace but the number of jobs that are supposed to be created are heading in the wrong direction.
that is why continuing jobless claims are increasing not decreasing.
I look at it this way: Hank Paulson was talking about a possible depression. No one expected this to be easy. I'm not shocked by the current economic situation at all. I also don't expect the storm to last more than another year or so. The economic reports I've read mostly say that stabilization is expected by the end of this year.
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Old 07-13-2009, 01:49 PM
 
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"Neither agree nor disagree"

I'm skeptical of everyone in DC. I'll wait it out some more.
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Old 07-13-2009, 02:33 PM
 
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I think the frustration is there, but for now, my sense is that those who feel strongly about it are holding back, hoping that things change.



The rate of job loss has decreased significantly since January.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/06/bu...my/06jobs.html

I guess you will not take into consideration that there are fewer employees to lay off since so many have already lost their jobs? Facts like that seem to be conveniently overlooked when grappling to make hussein obama look good.
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Old 07-13-2009, 02:39 PM
 
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I guess you will not take into consideration that there are fewer employees to lay off since so many have already lost their jobs?
What an interesting way of twisting the facts.

You can try to make things look worse than they are, but the reality is that the trendline for job loss is heading in the right direction.

The economy is on track to begin growing again by the end of this year.

http://www.beaconeconomics.com/peopl...s/PE022309.pdf
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Old 07-13-2009, 02:40 PM
 
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I look at it this way: Hank Paulson was talking about a possible depression. No one expected this to be easy. I'm not shocked by the current economic situation at all. I also don't expect the storm to last more than another year or so. The economic reports I've read mostly say that stabilization is expected by the end of this year.
Ok but what does this mean? GDP is going to grow by .25% annually?

Yes that is better but it far from reaching capacity. And again, Housing is going to be a drag for a long time. Stabilization maybe, but any real growth or prosperity? I doubt it. This is an L shaped recovery. and the bottom of the L will be long reaching.
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Old 07-13-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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No I cannot, he is a Socialist. His popularity is dwindling very fast.. Many now see what they have done and WHO they have elected. They cant keep blaming President Bush. We can thank our current Economic trouble starting with Bill Clinton telling everybody that they can have a bigger loan than they could EVER repay... Look up Community Reinvestment Act. That started the whole ball rolling. People criticize corporate Greed. What the heck does everyone think MADE America? There is nothing wrong with some corporate greed - its what keeps people competing in the free market. Otherwise you sink into Socialism and Facism.
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Old 07-13-2009, 02:52 PM
 
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Ok but what does this mean? GDP is going to grow by .25% annually?

Yes that is better but it far from reaching capacity. And again, Housing is going to be a drag for a long time. Stabilization maybe, but any real growth or prosperity? I doubt it. This is an L shaped recovery. and the bottom of the L will be long reaching.
Yes, I agree, but again, the current economic situation doesn't surprise me and I don't think it should be a surprise to anyone who was paying attention when things really started to get bad last year.

If you're interested in reading a well-written, easy-to-understand economic forecast, I recommend this from Beacon Economics:

http://www.beaconecon.com/Beaconomics/QFR.pdf
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Old 07-13-2009, 02:56 PM
 
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Yes, I agree, but again, the current economic situation doesn't surprise me and I don't think it should be a surprise to anyone who was paying attention when things really started to get bad last year.

If you're interested in reading a well-written, easy-to-understand economic forecast, I recommend this from Beacon Economics:

http://www.beaconecon.com/Beaconomics/QFR.pdf

Correct- I do not believe once Lehman fell and the avalanche began that anyone would be surprised at where we are now.
I will read that. My favorite economics periodical is The Economist.
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Old 07-13-2009, 05:15 PM
 
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What an interesting way of twisting the facts.

You can try to make things look worse than they are, but the reality is that the trendline for job loss is heading in the right direction.

The economy is on track to begin growing again by the end of this year.

http://www.beaconeconomics.com/peopl...s/PE022309.pdf


Twist facts? I had an email from a friend where there have been a lot of people layed off. A month later they layed off a few more and it may be a lesser amount the next time.

My brither-in law is the supervisor of a large construction company in Ca. First they layed off a lot of workers. About a month later they layed off a few of those left.

Unemployment has NOT went down.
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