Global Warming (benefits, becoming, suspect, Canada)
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CO2 is a greenhouse gas. fact. other emissions of ours are as well. fact. many models with many different underlying assumptions including much of the rest of the climate beyond the fact that CO2 and other emitted gases are radiatively activated show this, as well. do they agree precisely with the warming? sometimes, sometimes not. do they tend to agree with warming? yes. is it clear that the atmosphere's constituency is changing in ways that would make sense for there to likely be warming? yes. is it clear that there is warming? yes. are these pieces of evidence along with many others pointing to things worthy of our concern? quite apparently.
if you are seeing that a particular chemical is appearing to scramble cellular processes in the human body and make people sick, and that the chemical mechanisms can be described, etc., do you continue to spray that chemical all over the place and say "i can't see how it affects things, and it isn't COMPLETELY proven, so there"? would you happily sprinkle some arsenic on your salad to "show us...blah...blah"?
there are other issues concerning hydrogen economies. see online info concerning these.
there is plenty of talk online concerning the "swindle" swindle. I'd say feel free to look into some of that. denial can be healthy only to an extent (with some sound reasoning, for example); beyond that, it can just be clearly contrarian.
This is SO funny...
1) you talk about greenhouse gas. You know who has been slinging the term greenhouse gas around??? Yup, you guessed it. Bunk terms for bunk science..get it straight..
2) No experts know why CO2 is linked with temperature rise? You said it yourself! OMG... can it be any more clearer? See bolded section above.
3) Who said I didn't see that there isn't global warming... I just said it was NOT linked with CO2 emissions. Maybe you should watch the video instead of spouting naive statements about how to defy the laws of physics...
» The Global Warming Swindle Video- updated » Leaning Straight Up » Blog Archive » (http://leaningstraightup.com/2007/03/11/the-global-warming-swindle-video/ - broken link)
4) Are you saying that we should just accept that is something is harmful without really knowing why it is harmful?? Sure... if the stuff WAS harmful... too bad CO2 does not cause global warming...
1) you talk about greenhouse gas. You know who has been slinging the term greenhouse gas around??? Yup, you guessed it. Bunk terms for bunk science..get it straight..
2) No experts know why CO2 is linked with temperature rise? You said it yourself! OMG... can it be any more clearer? See bolded section above.
3) Who said I didn't see that there isn't global warming... I just said it was NOT linked with CO2 emissions. Maybe you should watch the video instead of spouting naive statements about how to defy the laws of physics...
» The Global Warming Swindle Video- updated » Leaning Straight Up » Blog Archive » (http://leaningstraightup.com/2007/03/11/the-global-warming-swindle-video/ - broken link)
4) Are you saying that we should just accept that is something is harmful without really knowing why it is harmful?? Sure... if the stuff WAS harmful... too bad CO2 does not cause global warming...
I am getting a HUMMER now! Wooohooo!
note the word "precisely" in the section you bolded. note that i mentioned that the models DO tend to agree on the fact that warming is expected.
but i guess you're just having fun as the "Evil newbie", so...
I just caught the opening segment of a show on Nickelodeon/Nick-at-Nite about kids and global warming. I didn't stick around to see it all, just the very beginning, which stated that despite the possibility that climate change is natural, it argues still that this global warming is artificially-controlled (AKA man-made).
so, if the arctic summer ice disappeared in 5 yrs, would that change a skeptics view?
or will nothing change your opinion til you have beach front property in Omaha?
Turning that idea around, can you not see the futility of changing the climate, if we are simply experiencing one of the many climate changes which our planet has undergone? Isn't it possible to plan for, and profit from, having beachfront property in Omaha?
Isn't it a good thing that areas of the earth will become fertile, as a result of climate change? That there wil be fewer blizzards, death from penumonia, need for heating fuels, and less warm clothing? All of these things are substantial, even life-threatening burdens on great numbers of people.
We are constantly reminded that change is natural, change is good. Except now. How come?
If you listen to Al Gore, Michael Moore and others you should immediately panic and run for shelter! Global warming has been happening since time immemorial and I see no satisfactory evidence that it is happening at a greater than "expected" rate. Big Al got a book out of it and the other guy will just keep making movies. Try telling the folks in the northeast how global warming works while they shovel out from the latest nor'easter. My two cents worth.
Turning that idea around, can you not see the futility of changing the climate, if we are simply experiencing one of the many climate changes which our planet has undergone? Isn't it possible to plan for, and profit from, having beachfront property in Omaha?
Isn't it a good thing that areas of the earth will become fertile, as a result of climate change? That there wil be fewer blizzards, death from penumonia, need for heating fuels, and less warm clothing? All of these things are substantial, even life-threatening burdens on great numbers of people.
We are constantly reminded that change is natural, change is good. Except now. How come?
changes NOW are seeming to be potentially quite worthy of concern and attributable to human activity. natural? good? if things change quickly, can you imagine what some of the political and economic ramifications might be? maybe consider climate change along with war. how much does the US spend per day on war and the military now? where are the tradeoffs in terms of what is given up in order to fund the military and wars (there is NOT an unlimited supply of cash, after all)? education? is there some siphoning of social security or social programs? transportation and infrastructure? now, throw perhaps more war over quickly shifting resources (agricultural, water, energy for desalinization or "alternative fuels" - which require energy to produce- etc.), or throw in remuneration to those that lose their property along coasts (or the insurance industry that lobbies for federal help, e.g.).
how about the possibilities that human beings are inducing change that has never been seen in human history (or, perhaps, history of the planet) - whether or not you believe that we "know" what that change will be, don't you consider it cause for concern that WE are inducing global change that is significant, never before seen, and so perhaps drastic? (there is evidence that all of this is likely, btw)
in other words, here's an analogy: you're on a wavy sea in a canoe, and a storm is clearly on it's way. you don't know how severe, and you don't know whether the waters are hungry shark infested. you do know that there is a chance that the boat will tip if you keep leaning to one side. would you rock the boat as the waves mount? or would you do what you could to not tempt fate?
Isn't it a good thing that areas of the earth will become fertile, as a result of climate change? That there wil be fewer blizzards, death from penumonia, need for heating fuels, and less warm clothing? All of these things are substantial, even life-threatening burdens on great numbers of people.
We are constantly reminded that change is natural, change is good. Except now. How come?
You're talking about weather, not climate. They aren't the same. Climate change may increase the amount of severe weather. You could have more ice storms and hale (instead of dry snowfall), severe thunderstorms, and droughts, for instance, depending on the location.
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Whatis the big deal?
