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Millinions of people become US citizen every year.
So what if a natural-born US citizen abandon their US citizenship and become citizen of the other country?
Millinions of people become US citizen every year.
So what if a natural-born US citizen abandon their US citizenship and become citizen of the other country?
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Originally Posted by hhe1982
Millinions of people become US citizen every year.
So what if a natural-born US citizen abandon their US citizenship and become citizen of the other country?
If a person felt that they could gain a higher quality of life in another country and had the freedom to move, then I see nothing wrong with it as long as they use legal channels to immigrate to the other country.
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What irks me is when new immigrants show disrespect for their new country after immigrating. I think immigrants should do what they can to assimilate into mainstream society in their new country and make it their home. This includes learning the language and respecting our land.
I think immigrants should do what they can to assimilate into mainstream society in their new country and make it their home. This includes learning the language and respecting our land.
I wish there had been talk boards in the 19th Century so we could read nativist making this argument about immigrant Irish Catholics and Italians.
Dude the US is now and has always been about amalgamation not assimilation. We take as much from our immigrant fellow citizens as we give. With each new wave of immigration American culture changes and when it ceases to change it will stagnate and die.
I wish there had been talk boards in the 19th Century so we could read nativist making this argument about immigrant Irish Catholics and Italians.
Dude the US is now and has always been about amalgamation not assimilation. We take as much from our immigrant fellow citizens as we give. With each new wave of immigration American culture changes and when it ceases to change it will stagnate and die.
Have you forgotten those immigrants put learning the language on the top of their list. You didn't see them waving their native country flag while begging for immigration rights.
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Originally Posted by ovcatto
I wish there had been talk boards in the 19th Century so we could read nativist making this argument about immigrant Irish Catholics and Italians.
Dude the US is now and has always been about amalgamation not assimilation. We take as much from our immigrant fellow citizens as we give. With each new wave of immigration American culture changes and when it ceases to change it will stagnate and die.
What opportunities will exist for immigrants to improve their lot in life if they don't learn the language of the land?
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Originally Posted by hhe1982
Millinions of people become US citizen every year.
So what if a natural-born US citizen abandon their US citizenship and become citizen of the other country?
I would consider that an act of betrayal. It is one thing- and quite fine with me- for a person to accept citizenship in another nation but it is quite another thing to renounce your citizenship in the United States. Very very few people who become citizens of the USA renounce their citizenship in the country they were born in. Even those who fled oppresion in places like the USSR remained citizens. Renouncement is like telling your country that you hate it and no longer wish to be a part of it.
Legal immigration traditionally involves changing citizenship from one country to that of another. That is as it should be, and that's how it's usually been done, in the past. No 'betrayal' involved, but a life-changing decision to 'put away the old' and 'begin the new'.
I do NOT, however, agree with the concept of 'dual citizenship', because I believe that citizenship in its very definition implies SOME measure of loyalty to the country of which you're a citizen. You can SAY you're loyal to TWO countries...or to three, or to ten...but at some point, you must choose. What happens if a "dual citizen" has duties to BOTH countries, and there's a conflict? He'd have to choose sides...at which point, he'd be loyal to ONE, and disloyal to the other...possibly even guilty of treason.
You can have a Visa card, AND a Mastercard, AND an American Express card...but these things don't require any 'loyalty'. You can drink Coke, AND drink Pepsi, without conflict..because these things require no commitment. But you can't swear loyalty to the laws of ONE country, and agree to 'put it above all others'.....and do the same thing for a second or a third country, too. At some point, someone's getting short-changed.
Dual citizenship, IMHO, can work ONLY if being a 'citizen' really means nothing more than the right to share a nation's 'goodies' and 'freebies'. It's possible that this is now how citizenship is defined..(obviously some people think this way). If THAT'S the case, then by all means, become a citizen of as many places as you wish...the more, the merrier.
If, however, citizenship involves loyalty and 'duty', then you can't "be one thing" and still "be another".
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Legal immigration traditionally involves changing citizenship from one country to that of another. That is as it should be, and that's how it's usually been done, in the past. No 'betrayal' involved, but a life-changing decision to 'put away the old' and 'begin the new'.
I do NOT, however, agree with the concept of 'dual citizenship', because I believe that citizenship in its very definition implies SOME measure of loyalty to the country of which you're a citizen. You can SAY you're loyal to TWO countries...or to three, or to ten...but at some point, you must choose. What happens if a "dual citizen" has duties to BOTH countries, and there's a conflict? He'd have to choose sides...at which point, he'd be loyal to ONE, and disloyal to the other...possibly even guilty of treason.
You can have a Visa card, AND a Mastercard, AND an American Express card...but these things don't require any 'loyalty'. You can drink Coke, AND drink Pepsi, without conflict..because these things require no commitment. But you can't swear loyalty to the laws of ONE country, and agree to 'put it above all others'.....and do the same thing for a second or a third country, too. At some point, someone's getting short-changed.
Dual citizenship, IMHO, can work ONLY if being a 'citizen' really means nothing more than the right to share a nation's 'goodies' and 'freebies'. It's possible that this is now how citizenship is defined..(obviously some people think this way). If THAT'S the case, then by all means, become a citizen of as many places as you wish...the more, the merrier.
If, however, citizenship involves loyalty and 'duty', then you can't "be one thing" and still "be another".
I disagree with that. My wife is loyal to Canada and to the United States.
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