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Old 08-04-2009, 07:06 PM
 
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So we should be looking for ways to lower health care costs, not coming up with a trillion dollar government plan, that does nothing to lower costs, it just absorbs them, and the taxpayer pay them.
Yes, the health care system just like the public school system is broken. Why throw more money at something that is broken? Giving folks free medical care..how is that going to be paid? thats ridiculous. The insurance and drug industry is making money hand over fist..
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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My question to you yesterday was. What percentage of american's have private insurance. Your come back more than ONCE was 90%. You could not provide the link to back that up as well as your other statistical assertions. Don't try to flip the google thing around. I searched on the data you indicated witch was WRONG
Go back and read what was said IN CONTEXT with the total discussion because it was POINTED OUT TO YOU that you took things OUT OF CONTEXT
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:08 PM
 
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Go searching now on your own - You said there was "nothing" on Google - you are / were wrong.

You can also search the CD Forums - as a number of people have provide links - I'm not going to do your work for you - if you want to be lazy - that is your problem - not mine.

Oh boy...I can't support the dilusional anymore....You provided bad data, bad information. I'm suppose to find something on google that don't exist.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Coverage (http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml - broken link)

It's a site I've quoted often... and here's some information

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The percentage of people (workers and dependents) with employment-based health insurance has dropped from 70 percent in 1987 to 62 percent in 2007. This is the lowest level of employment-based insurance coverage in more than a decade.4, 5
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  • In 2005, nearly 15 percent of employees had no employer-sponsored health coverage available to them, either through their own job or through a family member.6
  • In 2007, 37 million workers were uninsured because not all businesses offer health benefits, not all workers qualify for coverage and many employees cannot afford their share of the health insurance premium even when coverage is at their fingertips.1
There is so much more information but of course I can't cut and pasted it without getting hammered by the mods. NOT ONE of those on that list..or on any link offered backed the claim that 16M are uninsured because they choose to, not because they can't afford to.

Yet on this site it talks about how inflation has risen 2.5% while health premium costs rose at a 12% rate.. Basically we are not making much more money (working families) but our health care costs have risen so much that working middle class families can no longer afford coverage. EVEN when coverage is offered by employees.. because of higher deductions from paychecks for such increased premium costs and the passing on of that to the employee by the employer.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Oh boy...I can't support the dilusional anymore....You provided bad data, bad information. I'm suppose to find something on google that don't exist.
Sorry bubba - the data is there. No bad data was provided. I suggested you look HERE on CD - for the information that MANY posters provided.

You are simply too lazy to do it.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:10 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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You have NO PROOF.. that 16 million people chose not to have insurance.. NONE WHATSOEVER!

That is just your ASSUMPTIOn.. NOT an actual fact!
True...they could be snorting the $50,000+ up their nose...

LOL...that is a stretch even for you.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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So we should be looking for ways to lower health care costs, not coming up with a trillion dollar government plan, that does nothing to lower costs, it just absorbs them, and the taxpayer pay them.

Actually covering the uninsured DOES help to lower costs of healthcare. Why do you think the price is so inflated? Because the unpaid bills get passed on through rising costs..
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Coverage (http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml - broken link)
Thanks TM - I gave him/her that. Him/her does not like it
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:12 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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You asked.. so here you go.

News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Dallas Business News | Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/bus/stories/DN-swisshealth_07bus.ART0.State.Edition2.21730ee.html - broken link)



BTW.. that averages out .. for a family of four ..to $8,160 month vs. $12,000 average costs year here in the U.S.





Swiss Health Care System Deserves Consideration, Says Burrell « FinancialWire™ (http://www.financialwire.net/2009/07/08/swiss-health-care-system-deserves-consideration-says-burrell/ - broken link)

Take a look at Swiss health care | The Jamestown Sun | Jamestown, North Dakota


These are just three of the articles I've found for you to peruse.
Our family of two pays $170/month....
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Actually covering the uninsured DOES help to lower costs of healthcare.
Those here illegally are not going to be covered under either the Democrats or GOP plan.
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