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From an $8000 tax credit to a $4500 clunker to a multi-billion dollar bailout of banks and other oligopolies, I believe that we must all stop and ask each other and ourselves, "was it worth it?" I fear we have had the most unintentional redistribution of wealth since the 1917 Russian Revolution, but unlike what Joe the Plumber feared, the wealth went to the rich not the poor.
To my dear young Gen Y's, in 1972, I was a big fan of George McGovern, 1976, 1980 it was Jimmy Carter, and I genuinely believed as you in governmental redistribution. It took me 30 plus years to realize that the professors were teaching bunk and the Pastors were teaching truth. If you are a genuine liberal, I hope that as I did, you will start asking more questions. Or are you just a lemming being led by a Pied Piper rather than using your wonderfully gifted brain to think for yourself? Think about it, why did you put in that earring, tattoo, wear pink hair, etc. Odd how we try to be so different by being so much like others...
From an $8000 tax credit to a $4500 clunker to a multi-billion dollar bailout of banks and other oligopolies, I believe that we must all stop and ask each other and ourselves, "was it worth it?" I fear we have had the most unintentional redistribution of wealth since the 1917 Russian Revolution, but unlike what Joe the Plumber feared, the wealth went to the rich not the poor.
To my dear young Gen Y's, in 1972, I was a big fan of George McGovern, 1976, 1980 it was Jimmy Carter, and I genuinely believed as you in governmental redistribution. It took me 30 plus years to realize that the professors were teaching bunk and the Pastors were teaching truth. If you are a genuine liberal, I hope that as I did, you will start asking more questions. Or are you just a lemming being led by a Pied Piper rather than using your wonderfully gifted brain to think for yourself? Think about it, why did you put in that earring, tattoo, wear pink hair, etc. Odd how we try to be so different by being so much like others...
Many of these folks did not experience McGovern or the Carter administration. Rather than reading about the failures of socialism, they prefer to live the experiment, just one more time, so the memory will be strong. It will make "liberal" a dirty word again for 30 years until the next generation forgets again. Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler promised "change" and they delivered on thier promises. Sometimes change is not so good.
Many of these folks did not experience McGovern or the Carter administration. Rather than reading about the failures of socialism, they prefer to live the experiment, just one more time, so the memory will be strong. It will make "liberal" a dirty word again for 30 years until the next generation forgets again. Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler promised "change" and they delivered on thier promises. Sometimes change is not so good.
The daily "the Russians are Coming the Russians are coming!"
Who experienced McGovern other than those who campaigned for hims and what "socialist" policies did Carter pursue? Even though I was working in Washington during his administration, I must have missed them.
As for Liberal being a dirty word, I don't remember a time it wasn't a dirty word, especially coming out of the bile filled mouths of folks like Joe McCarthy, Estes Kefaufer, Barry Goldwater, George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Strom Thurmond and Spiro T. Agnew.
As for promising change, you must have missed the Contract for America; the record level deficits, rampant deregulation, the savings and loan crisis, and the beginning of the decline of the American middle class. Thousand points of kinder gentler American anyone?
IMHO Crony Capitalism, were government money is collected from the middle class and lavished on personal and politically connected friends and relatives, is the most efficient way to redistribute money from the productive to the plutocracy. The Republicans and the Neocons have been very efficient with this redistribution from the bottom and middle to the top. They consistently take from the worker bees to feed the drones and the Queen. Some of us are tired of feeding the useless even more of our money.
All these federal regs are what have crippled this country in the past and will cripple this country in the future.
If states functioned w/o dipping into federal coffers, then 1. our state budgets would be balanced and 2. the federal government would not need to keep imposing additional taxes in order to raise money for all the entitlement programs the federal coffers now support.
I re-read the Constitution recently and I don't understand why the feds have gotten so involved in state programs. If folks live in a state wh/ can't afford certain programs - then they should either plan on not having access to those programs - or move. This is not hard. Let states attract businesses, collect revenue from the citizens and corps in those states and create (or dump) programs that these states can afford.
We have become a nation of debtors and it starts at the grassroots level.
We may be redistributing wealth ON PAPER, but seeing as how the federal government is in debt - and we are operating on Funny Money borrowed from other countries (China and Dubai being two prominent lenders) . . . there is no real wealth being distributed. It is all just a shell game.
Time to insist that state budgets get balanced and that legislators refuse to participate in federal programs.
To my dear young Gen Y's, in 1972, I was a big fan of George McGovern, 1976, 1980 it was Jimmy Carter, and I genuinely believed as you in governmental redistribution. It took me 30 plus years to realize that the professors were teaching bunk and the Pastors were teaching truth.
I tried my best to learn from past mistakes so I wouldn't have to repeat them. The product of that was coming out of the shute on the 'right' side.
Most people have never even experienced a communist or socialist system, they just keep repeating it like a bad word they don't understand because of everything they heard as a child. Those who associate their opposition to every bad thing they ever heard is just doing the same now. The two parties are not really that different in actions, so those who want their party to succeed are just pantomiming old fears to get people worked up.
If people feared and hated socialism so much then our enemies would be Norway and Sweden, which are about the largest and most powerful democratically socialistic countries (kind of sad really).
As for promising change, you must have missed the Contract for America; the record level deficits, rampant deregulation, the savings and loan crisis, and the beginning of the decline of the American middle class. Thousand points of kinder gentler American anyone?
Agreed, the US has suffered greatly from the aforementioned blunders. And OTaxya and the rest of the liberal fascists' redistribution of wealth and hastily prepared regulations will greatly compound the problems leftover from Bushy's reign of incompetence.
Socialism is not set up to destroy free markets but crony capitalist government supported monopolists most definitely are. Markets are destroyed by businessmen to avoid the annoyance of price competition. It is very difficult to make a profit in a completely free and open market. it is far less expensive to count on your friends in high places to protect your monopoly.
Liberal fascists???? That is a perfect oxymoron.
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IMHO Crony Capitalism, were government money is collected from the middle class and lavished on personal and politically connected friends and relatives, is the most efficient way to redistribute money from the productive to the plutocracy. The Republicans and the Neocons have been very efficient with this redistribution from the bottom and middle to the top. They consistently take from the worker bees to feed the drones and the Queen. Some of us are tired of feeding the useless even more of our money.
and some of you don't seem to understand that you are still doing it! right now there is a new proposal for taxpayers to assume the bad assets of fannie mae and freddie mac. americans didn't cause this derivative disaster, but they are being expected to pay for it!
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