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Lefties and Dems can spin it how they please. But the truth is out there. And we have already seen people being denied health care and offered assisted suicide instead (the definition of rationed health care if you ask me).
Meet Barbara Wagner:
Barbara Wagner has one wish - for more time.
"I'm not ready, I'm not ready to die," the Springfield woman said. "I've got things I'd still like to do."
Her doctor offered hope in the new chemotherapy drug Tarceva, but the Oregon Health Plan sent her a letter telling her the cancer treatment was not approved.
Instead, the letter said, the plan would pay for comfort care, including "physician aid in dying," better known as assisted suicide.
Wow, you call the other side of a story, or the rest of a story, "spinning"?
Yes I do say you are spinning it when you say that there will be no rationed health care and that death panels are a myth.
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Exactly! So private sector insurances do not do this at all, right?
The thing is, with private insurance, I have choices and the ability to choose different providers. One may not cover, but another may at greater cost. With private insurance, at least I have more control over my fate/life.
Once again, you are misinterpreting this article. She wasn't denied coverage for her cancer treatment because they offer coverage for assisted suicide. To say that is, frankly, a lie. That they won't pay for that type of treatment for her cancer is not cool. (I lived in Oregon. Oregon Health Plan = suck). But they aren't offering her assisted suicide to replace treatment. One is simply a covered benefit, one is not. They were going over her coverage in the letter. That is how health coverage generally works. The patient in question finds this ironic.
Yes I do say you are spinning it when you say that there will be no rationed health care and that death panels are a myth.
The thing is, with private insurance, I have choices and the ability to choose different providers. One may not cover, but another may at greater cost. With private insurance, at least I have more control over my fate/life.
"[Georgia Republican Senator] Isakson told the Post: "I just had a phone call where someone said Sarah Palin's website had talked about the House bill having death panels on it where people would be euthanized. How someone could take an end of life directive or a living will as that is nuts."
This is the 5th thread on the exact same story, but I'll repeat myself:
at the time of this story (early 2008) Tarceva had yet to be approved by Oregon (and about 20 other states) and was considered experimental.
The letter from OHP (Oregon's Medicaid) specifically said they would pay for palliative care and hospice.
Tarceva does not cure cancer in any way - what it does, in clinical trials, is extend someone's life 6.5 months instead of 4.7 months people on the placebo averaged.
OHP had paid for her previous surgery, chemotherapy, home health nurse, 100%, but denied Tarceva because it was experimental and because they don't pay for drugs that don't have AT LEAST a 5% 5 year survival rate. Tarceva can't even claim that 5% rate for 1 year, much less 5.
Is it harsh to ration medical care this way? Yes. On the other hand, if you google the terms "tarceva insurance denied" you'll come up with pages and pages of stories about private firms - and one state - denying Tarceva because of its limited benefit.
The thing is, with private insurance, I have choices and the ability to choose different providers. One may not cover, but another may at greater cost. With private insurance, at least I have more control over my fate/life.
Yeah but honestly, what are the odds of them helping you if you have a pre existing condition? It is hard.
This is what UHC is about. To help people that insurances keep on rejecting.
This is the 5th thread on the exact same story, but I'll repeat myself:
at the time of this story (early 2008) Tarceva had yet to be approved by Oregon (and about 20 other states) and was considered experimental.
The letter from OHP (Oregon's Medicaid) specifically said they would pay for palliative care and hospice.
Tarceva does not cure cancer in any way - what it does, in clinical trials, is extend someone's life 6.5 months instead of 4.7 months people on the placebo averaged.
OHP had paid for her previous surgery, chemotherapy, home health nurse, 100%, but denied Tarceva because it was experimental and because they don't pay for drugs that don't have AT LEAST a 5% 5 year survival rate. Tarceva can't even claim that 5% rate for 1 year, much less 5.
Is it harsh to ration medical care this way? Yes. On the other hand, if you google the terms "tarceva insurance denied" you'll come up with pages and pages of stories about private firms - and one state - denying Tarceva because of its limited benefit.
I wish these people would learn the whole story before posting. It gets tiresome facing all these untruths about the health care legislation. I'm not saying there's no need for concern or that any system will be perfect, but insurance companies profit from not healing people. It's a pretty simple business model.
I think all this hyperbolic rhetoric about "socialized" this and that needs to end. We've been fine with Medicare and nothing in the legislation is nearly as extensive as that. It's just proposing options so that all citizens can be protected.
One would think one nation, under God, indivisible would at least have enough heart to ensure everybody's health is taken care of and nobody has to compete for their very lives. Pretty barbaric if you ask me.
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