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Old 08-20-2009, 09:41 PM
 
Location: The Shires
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What's wrong with it, really?

Many European nations adopt Socialist principles, yet they have higher life expectancies than ours, lower infant mortality rates and far less violent crime. So what gives? Is Socialism really *that* bad, or has it simply become the new Communism to the ignoramuses among us?

In my opinion, humanity isn't ready for laissez-faire capitalism, or libertarianism. People are too inherently greedy for it to work, so regulations are needed and the likes of healthcare, education and defense are best kept in the "public" realm, to prevent them from being destroyed and miliked by vulture capitalists who only care about making $$$, rather than protecting human life.

I honestly believe that the free market should work hand-in-hand with a socialist system, mainly for checks and balances. Many of you love to bash the government, yet the government is often the only bastion of protection that the average Joe has from vulture capitalists.

I realize that my values are not exactly "American" and I realize that I'll draw a lot of flack for saying these things in this particular forum, yet in the rest of the world, my views would be considered "normal" and "reasonable".

When is America going to pull its head out of its you-know-what and move forward, with the rest of the world? Are you going to continue to cite Ronald Reagan forever "personal responsabilatahhh: and "welfare queens", or are you going to wake up and smell the roses? Personally, I don't give a s**t as I have dual citizenship, but I'd like to see the United States evolve into a 21st century nation, rather than cling to selfish ideals.

Thoughts, please?
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:43 PM
 
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Not another thread about what is wrong with socialism... there are about a million things... the best answer to your question is GOOGLE... by the time you googled it and read a few pages, it would equal to what you have typed...
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:44 PM
 
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Technically, what you're describing isn't socialism (it's social democracy), but I agree with you. Many European nations (especially the Nordic ones) have higher standards of living than we do.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:48 PM
 
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The funny thing is they call universal healthcare socialist, but Australia has it and it's one of the most economically free countries in the world. It's ranked higher than the US.
Country rankings for trade, business, fiscal, monetary, financial, labor and investment freedoms
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:52 PM
 
Location: The Shires
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Not another thread about what is wrong with socialism... there are about a million things... the best answer to your question is GOOGLE... by the time you googled it and read a few pages, it would equal to what you have typed...
I asked you (the members of City-Data who claim that socialism is so "evil"), not Google. What are your thoughts? I am from Europe....so having lived both sides of the pond, I see the wood for the trees, unlike most here.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:53 PM
 
Location: An absurd world.
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I asked you (the members of City-Data who claim that socialism is so "evil"), not Google. What are your thoughts? I am from Europe....so having lived both sides of the pond, I see the wood for the trees, unlike most here.
What country in Europe are you from? Just curious.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:54 PM
 
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The funny thing is they call universal healthcare socialist, but Australia has it and it's one of the most economically free countries in the world. It's ranked higher than the US.
Country rankings for trade, business, fiscal, monetary, financial, labor and investment freedoms
Of course....they are economically free, yet smart enough to know that healthcare should be kept in the "public" realm, so that it doesn't fall victim to vulture capitalists, pricing people out of getting the treatment they need.

The US could learn a lot from Australia....a fellow "new world" nation.
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:56 PM
 
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What country in Europe are you from? Just curious.
....and English speaking EU nation...enough for now
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:56 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Technically, what you're describing isn't socialism (it's social democracy), but I agree with you. Many European nations (especially the Nordic ones) have higher standards of living than we do.
True that...by the way, to the OP....is your screen name in honor of depeche mode? Kudos to you, love them!
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Old 08-20-2009, 09:57 PM
 
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True that...by the way, to the OP....is your screen name in honor of depeche mode? Kudos to you, love them!
Yes, it certainly is
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