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Old 10-30-2009, 10:44 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Who needs health insurance anyway?

Why don't we pay for what we use.

It all sounds like a scam either way, no matter if it is the government run or insurance ran.

What in the heck did we all do as a nation, before insurance?
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Texas
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sorry off topic but you believe the public schools are performing to high standards?

Some are, others aren't.
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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[quote=BentBow;11411886]Who needs health insurance anyway?

Why don't we pay for what we use.

It all sounds like a scam either way, no matter if it is the government run or insurance ran.

What in the heck did we all do as a nation, before insurance?[/QUOTE]

Died.

Lived with deformed limbs from mis-healed broken bones.

Perished from whooping cough, T.B.,fever and minor infections, etc.
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:49 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Didn't the State of Maine try this?
I could have swore I read Massachusetts, was in the same pickle.

How is that working out for them.

No matter how they try it, it gets the same results. Even a blind man can see that, as it is well documented.
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Now, why would anyone hate our public school system? You know... the one that does such a good job of dumbing our top students down to the bottom on international rankings?
Joann DiGennaro - Gifted Minds We Need to Nurture - washingtonpost.com

And we have a President that pays lip service to better education, but pleas for help fall on his deaf ears and yield only politically-motivated attempts at censorship...

"President Obama isn’t taking kindly to a television ad that criticizes his opposition to a popular scholarship program for poor children, and his administration wants the ad pulled.
Former D.C. Councilmember Kevin Chavous of D.C. Children First said October 16 that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder had recently approached him and told him to kill the ad..."
Attorney General Eric Holder Tries to Kill a TV ad for School Vouchers. | Chicago Daily Observer
Read the comments, too.

The ad:
On TV - Save School Choice
America's schools could and should be better. They're certainly not as bad as Stossel would have you think they are by watching his baloney.

But they're probably about as good right now as the American public will allow them to be.
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Well, whaddaya know?

John Stossel formulating right wing talking points. Now that's an entirely unexpected development!



He's the guy who hates public education, too.

Stossel’s "Stupid" Schools
The US educational system is in worse shape than health care by any measure.

U.S. slipping in education rankings - UPI.com
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:55 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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Unwarranted attack alert.
lol attack? What was the attack?

So you can state your opinion but I cant state mine? I cant point out that you appear to have a double standard since you are complaining about republicans using the net for talking points while the democrats do it
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Old 10-30-2009, 10:59 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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America's schools could and should be better. They're certainly not as bad as Stossel would have you think they are by watching his baloney.
Think again...

Public school student achievement is actually much lower than most people think. Each state's education officials establish their own state standards, commission/construct their own tests, and set their own 'passing' scores. This has resulted in manipulations that make it look like public schools are educating our country's children, when in reality the majority of students in many states are far below acceptable levels of proficiency. In some cases, there's as much as a 70 percentage point difference in proficiency levels between state achievement tests and the NAEP (National Assessment of Educational Progress) tests. Not one state listed in the chart below educates even half of their students to grade-level proficiency on the NAEP.

If anyone wants to see their (or any other) state's reported proficiency level vs. the NAEP proficiency level (to see if their public schools are being honest about providing an adequate education), check here:
NAEP Researchcenter - NAEP and State Equivalent Percent Table
For each grade level, the first column lists the percentage of students scoring as proficient (meets or exceeds state standards) on the state test; the second column lists the percentage of students scoring as proficient on the NAEP (National Assessment).

Keep in mind that these comparisons were made after NCLB was enacted, when schools knew that they had to improve their academic performance - and they're still educating less than half of the nation's public school students to grade-level proficiency.

Background on how weak NCLB tests are:
Lake Wobegon, U.S.A. -- where all the children are above average
Read the college professor's comment at the bottom, too.

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But they're probably about as good right now as the American public will allow them to be.
Not sure what you mean by that. Care to elaborate?
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Old 10-30-2009, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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The more the Republicans speak the more people hear how ridiculous they sound.
We need a universal health care system. We do not need private health insurance companies. They can go and insure something else.
Funny how you dems can figure out what everyone needs and not sound a little silly now and then. I do not need universal health care, I like the policy we have.

Some silly dem things: Cow farts are ruining the planet. We should ban hamburgers because some people can't help but stuff themselves therefore nobody gets a burger. Now we should not have pets at all and eating the dog may be an answer? Time to Eat the Dog is a recently released book by anti pet people. I think you people take the Oscar in silly.
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Old 10-30-2009, 11:06 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Didn't the State of Maine try this?
I could have swore I read Massachusetts, was in the same pickle.

How is that working out for them.

No matter how they try it, it gets the same results. Even a blind man can see that, as it is well documented.
Massachusetts:
Massachusetts resorts to group visits with the doctor « AAPS News of the Day
Read the MD's comments at the bottom, too.
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