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Old 07-25-2009, 05:54 PM
 
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Here, this is what we have to look forward to.


YouTube - A Short Course in Brain Surgery
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Old 07-25-2009, 05:59 PM
 
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Yea, how come we don't see all the Canadians marching in the streets to protest their system? All the Canucks I know are content with their health care. Nothing is perfect, but everybody gets health care. As usual the republicans go to youtube for their facts what a surprise! haha
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Old 07-25-2009, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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Interesting video but I knew it was some kind of political propaganda. Towards the end, the narrator says that the current single payer system in Canada "failed", which is a total lie. It is not a perfect system by any means but it works well most of the time. I knew there was a spin to it
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Old 07-25-2009, 06:10 PM
 
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Jenny,

Why do you post such propaganda? Why do you have such an issue with everyone having insurance?

Do you think you are above everyone else?
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Old 07-25-2009, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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We should be so unlucky to have the Candian system. I for one would love it.
No system is perfect but there are plenty of systems that are much better than ours, cost less, and deliver better health outcomes.

I could have sworn Jenny that you said you work in the medical profession. I'm sure it's in your best interest for everyone to have access to affordable health insurance and access to health care.
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Old 07-25-2009, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Jenny,

Why do you post such propaganda? Why do you have such an issue with everyone having insurance?

Do you think you are above everyone else?
IMO, we should do AWAY with health insurance altogether. Prices WILL come WAY down - guaranteed.

We did just fine WITHOUT health insurance.

We would do just fine without health insurance again.
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Old 07-25-2009, 06:50 PM
 
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The Canadian government did this guy an injustice and should pay for his $28,000 surgery. However, it is false that the Canadian system has failed miserably as the video claims. This is one single horror story. I could dig up plenty of horror stories from the US if I wanted to. Why don't we take a real look at the Canadian system while we're at it.

According to the WHO, Canada's system ranks #31 in overall performance while ours ranks #37
The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems
Canada has no one uninsured; we have 47 million people uninsured. Canada spends less than10% of it's GDP on health care; we spend 17% of our GDP on health care. Canada spends 1% of it's health care money on overhead; we pay 31% of our health care money on overhead. The wait times should be shorter in Canada, which is the main drawback of their system. However, they are not as long as private health insurance supporters in the US make them out to be.

Access to health care services in Canada, 2005
In 2005, the median waiting time was about 4 weeks for specialist visits, 4 weeks for non-emergency surgery, and 3 weeks for diagnostic tests.

The majority of people are satisfied with Canadian health care and the overwhelming majority prefer the Canadian system to our system.


Canadians were asked if “overall the Canadian health care system was performing very well, fairly well, not very well or not at all?”
The reported results were broken down by province, political affiliation, sex, age and income.
Overall the results were as follows:
Working very well 12%
Working well 58%
Not working well 19%
Not working at all 9%
There was strong support for the system working well or very well throughout most regions of the country. Only the residents of Quebec reported numbers different than the rest of the country. 52% of residents of Quebec said the system worked well; 43% said the system did not work well.
When asked “Would you say that Canada’s health system is superior to the US system?” an overwhelming majority preferred the Canadian system to the U.S. model.
Prefer Canadian system 82%
Prefer American system 8%"


Here's the full link:
Canadians believe their health care system is working well
Here's another article that you should read.
Debunking Canadian health care myths - The Denver Post
Since this subject was touched upon in the video, here's what this article has to say about Canadians comming to the US for care.

Myth: Canadians are paying out of pocket to come to the U.S. for medical care.Most patients who come from Canada to the U.S. for health care are those whose costs are covered by the Canadian governments. If a Canadian goes outside of the country to get services that are deemed medically necessary, not experimental, and are not available at home for whatever reason (e.g., shortage or absence of high tech medical equipment; a longer wait for service than is medically prudent; or lack of physician expertise), the provincial government where you live fully funds your care. Those patients who do come to the U.S. for care and pay out of pocket are those who perceive their care to be more urgent than it likely is.

So although the person in the video hasn't gotten the government to pick up the tab for the surgery yet, this is not the norm.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...2252325.column
Here's a story about a lady that was involved in a serious accident in Canada. The Canadian govermnet fully covered her hospitalization for the accident, which resulted in some serious head injuries. She then moved to the US and, due to the injuries that she sustained in the accident, she can't get health insurance here.

Oh, by the way, Obama doesn't support outlawing private insurance like they've done in Ontario. Hell, he isn't even supporting single-payer, although I wish he would. So to finalize my post Jenny, the story of what happened in that video is not what we have to look forward to. But if we don't change the system that we have now, what we have to look forward to are premiums rising 3 times the rate of inflation, 61 million uninsured in 2020 and businesses going under because they can't afford health care costs.
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Old 07-25-2009, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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If all the Dems wanted a single payer system, we would have it by now since Democrats make up the majority in Congress.
I would love to have single payer. =]
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Old 07-25-2009, 06:57 PM
 
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We should be so unlucky to have the Candian system. I for one would love it.
No system is perfect but there are plenty of systems that are much better than ours, cost less, and deliver better health outcomes.

I could have sworn Jenny that you said you work in the medical profession. I'm sure it's in your best interest for everyone to have access to affordable health insurance and access to health care.
She probably works for an insurance company.
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