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Um, obviously your slow today because I'm not the one who got bent out of shape over the phrase "help the president", I'm simply pointing out what others were upset about, and pointing out that indeed it was in the original study points..
Ahh, back to that "dispute" again ha? In the even you were not following along, todays speech was about how children can help themself or each other, it did not involve the president at all, so unless SOMEONE can point out what part of the speech referred to "helping the president", it indeed is proof positive that it was changed.
Sorry you have higher standards that common sense acknowledges it was changed because there is no part of the speech to refer to that the question would apply to, but when the DOE acknowledges that changes were made, and its normal for presidents to adjust their speeches dozens of times, only a fool would imply that the speech was written and then not changed, especially given the questions previously asked which caused such an uproar..
The dispute will not be over until you provide proof, of course if you want to be taken seriously
Um, obviously your slow today because I'm not the one who got bent out of shape over the phrase "help the president", I'm simply pointing out what others were upset about, and pointing out that indeed it was in the original study points..
Ahh, back to that "dispute" again ha? In the even you were not following along, todays speech was about how children can help themself or each other, it did not involve the president at all, so unless SOMEONE can point out what part of the speech referred to "helping the president", it indeed is proof positive that it was changed.
Sorry you have higher standards that common sense acknowledges it was changed because there is no part of the speech to refer to that the question would apply to, but when the DOE acknowledges that changes were made, and its normal for presidents to adjust their speeches dozens of times, only a fool would imply that the speech was written and then changed, especially given the questions previously asked which caused such an uproar..
The lesson plan was for a completely different speech, that much is clear. I still think his speech was going to be about the global warming, green energy and the new National Day of Service on Sept 11th, its the only thing that makes sense, then all of those lesson plans, assignments and even the timing of this speech all start to make sense.
The dispute will not be over until you provide proof, of course if you want to be taken seriously
If you want to hide behind the lack of common sense as a reason for your dispute, thats fine, but dont cry when you cant discuss the topic of the obvious, that all presidents adjust their speeches when its called for and you have yet to tell me what part of the speech, "help the president" COULD even refer to..
The dispute is over until you prove that you've stopped beating your wife. I dont debate with wife beaters...
If you want to hide behind the lack of common sense as a reason for your dispute, thats fine, but dont cry when you cant discuss the topic of the obvious, that all presidents adjust their speeches when its called for and you have yet to tell me what part of the speech, "help the president" COULD even refer to..
The dispute is over until you prove that you've stopped beating your wife. I dont debate with wife beaters...
1. the controversy continued even after that was removed.
2. What did Bush mean when he asked the exact same question?
1. the controversy continued even after that was removed.
The controversy continued because no one has fully explained what he meant when asked how they can help the president. Rather than explain it, Obama/DOE caved, modified the lesson plans and obviously the speech to remove any such requests to the "bi-partisan" speech we had today. If indeed Obama was not asking the children "for help", then why was the original speech not released so that the public can see what kind of help he was asking for?
hell, Obama could have just has something like, "Its my responsibility to make sure you are all educated and I need your help to keep your fellow students in school" and the question, "how can you help the president", would have been appropriate. Rather though than allowing individuals to see what he needed "help" with, it was all removed..
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2. What did Bush mean when he asked the exact same question?
Dont know, didnt see the Bush speech, but since he also faced a similar controversy, and his was over the speech itself, one could easily find out by reading the speech. He also did not have lesson plans created to my knowledge..
If you want to hide behind the lack of common sense as a reason for your dispute, thats fine, but dont cry when you cant discuss the topic of the obvious, that all presidents adjust their speeches when its called for and you have yet to tell me what part of the speech, "help the president" COULD even refer to..
The dispute is over until you prove that you've stopped beating your wife. I dont debate with wife beaters...
I dont debate an issue just on common sense you need to have concrete facts and your statements lack of facts. Sorry but if you keep on hammering that there was an "original speech" and you cant provide proof then you dont have credibility. People in this forum are smarter than that.
And as our great republic spirals down into the ash heap of history, those who divided us and brought about our destruction will count up their money and ratings as they divide up the spoils. The fact that people can't even see how tragic this has become makes it clear how inevitable the destruction is.
The controversy continued because no one has fully explained what he meant when asked how they can help the president. Rather than explain it, Obama/DOE caved, modified the lesson plans and obviously the speech to remove any such requests to the "bi-partisan" speech we had today. If indeed Obama was not asking the children "for help", then why was the original speech not released so that the public can see what kind of help he was asking for?
hell, Obama could have just has something like, "I am counting on all of you to help me keep your fellow students in school" and the question, "how can you help the president", would have been appropriate. Rather though than allowing individuals to see what he needed "help" with, it was all removed..
Dont know, didnt see the Bush speech, but since he also faced a similar controversy, and his was over the speech itself, one could easily find out by reading the speech. He also did not have lesson plans created to my knowledge..
Umm their was no "original speech". As far as why is wasn't released earlier, it was said from pretty much the start that it would be released on Monday. Just because what the DOE suggested to do was changed doesn't = speech was changed.
The controversy with Bush was silly as well, but wasn't even remotely the same. Parents didn't stupidly threaten to keep their kids home
My congrats to all the parents who have so proudly posted how their children dissed the President of the United States.
Way to parent, everyone!!
Thank you. Obama has done nothing to earn my respect - he doesn't automatically get respect from me because he somehow became President.
"Dissed?" Puh-leeze. I'm teaching my children to think for themselves, instead of mindlessly believing a corrupt, egomaniacal leader who is the puppet for a group of people who are intent on steering this country into socialism.
Help Obama? I think, as President, he needs to help the American people. It isn't ALL ABOUT HIM. He needs to do the right thing, and so far, nothing he has done has inspired me to respect him. In fact, the longer he is in office, the more untrustworthy he is proving himself to be.
Like I said, EPIC FAIL.
On the other hand, EPIC WIN for the United States, parents, and their families, for wising up to this charlatan.
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