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Old 09-10-2009, 04:28 PM
 
Location: OB
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“… if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can,” Obama told the paper in January. “It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."

Cap and Trade was just the start. The next step in Obama's crusade is against traditional energy producers.


Speculating now.

The only way for Obama's Green Initiative to be equitable/profitable is for traditional energy to become so expensive that alternative energy becomes substitutable.

How so? Tax the hell out of traditional energy - ie Cap & Trade. Next send in the EPA and go after supply - ie closing mines. Finally, artificially inflate the price for a barrel of oil- ie Printing Money (inflation).
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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“… if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can,” Obama told the paper in January. “It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."

Cap and Trade was just the start. The next step in Obama's crusade is against traditional energy producers.


Speculating now.

The only way for Obama's Green Initiative to be equitable/profitable is for traditional energy to become so expensive that alternative energy becomes substitutable.

How so? Tax the hell out of traditional energy - ie Cap & Trade. Next send in the EPA and go after supply - ie closing mines. Finally, artificially inflate the price for a barrel of oil- ie Printing Money (inflation).
That is exactly what the Waxman-Markey bill wants to accomplish, triple the costs of cheaper fossil fuel energy, so that expensive and unreliable green energy can finally compete.
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:58 PM
 
Location: South Fla
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When did it become the role of the gov?
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Old 09-10-2009, 05:01 PM
 
Location: USA
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That is exactly what the Waxman-Markey bill wants to accomplish, triple the costs of cheaper fossil fuel energy, so that expensive and unreliable green energy can finally compete.
How exactly is solar, wind, geothermal energy etc. unreliable? Is it just because it's not mainstream yet in our country? Please explain.
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Old 09-10-2009, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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Just for the record, Southern Illinois is coal-mining country. Our coal has a high sulfur content, so the vast majority of mines have closed, and coal-using energy producers are getting their supply mainly from Black Mesa. As both an Illinois State Senator and U.S. Senator, President Obama frequently visited the nearest university which has a multi-million dollar coal research project. Clean coal technology is an issue that he has consistently supported.

Stimulus Debate Could Clarify How Much Obama Supports 'Clean Coal' - US News and World Report
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Old 09-10-2009, 05:15 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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How exactly is solar, wind, geothermal energy etc. unreliable? Is it just because it's not mainstream yet in our country? Please explain.
Because there is no way to store it. Distributing it will be cost defective. If it were a feasible source, it would have outpaced the use of fossil fuels long ago. Whenever the govt has to step in, in order to make another market "competative" what does that mean? Means people don't want the junk because it doesn't work.

And where do you green weenies think electricity comes from? Popcicles? Good luck trying to make that without coal. Duh.

Why isn't anyone talking about all the batteries that will fill landfills once they bite the dust?

Look at the piece of cr#p lightbulbs---the "energy efficient" ones. Of COURSE they use less electricity because the lighting quality is POOR, the darn things burn out after 3 or 4 uses, and they cost an arm and a leg. BTW, they are filled with mercury, which last time I checked, was a poison and bad for the environment. You've got to take special preventive measures to clean up a bulb if it breaks. It's insane.

Let's put out cr*p people don't want a charge a large amount for it because we want to discourage behavior. Duh again.

I could go on, but why bother?
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Old 09-10-2009, 05:24 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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How exactly is solar, wind, geothermal energy etc. unreliable? Is it just because it's not mainstream yet in our country? Please explain.
It's reliable when it's working. I plan to have a solar/wind system eventually. But, every Northerner who's done it knows you have to have a generator as backup for when the weather doesn't cooperate.
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Birmingham
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This is just great considering I was just employed by an energy company that depends on coal. This is a natural resource needed to make steel as well as other things. The company I am going to work with has many new green initiatives including a non-invasive technique for obtaining natural gas off large deposits.

This administration will not be happy until we are on our knees and have nothing left to offer in trade. Do you think we will stop needing steel anytime soon within this country. No, but we will have to import all of our steel because coal producing companies won't be able to exist on the steel manufacturing market.
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:22 PM
 
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Soaking Up the Sun: Solar Power in Germany and Japan

Japan and Germany, two somewhat unlikely nations, are now world leaders in solar energy installations and are home to booming domestic solar industries. The secret of their success: sustained public investments in both the development and deployment of solar energy technology. Each nation took a distinct path, and lessons can be learned form both.

The Breakthrough Institute: Soaking Up the Sun: Solar Power in Germany and Japan
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:29 PM
 
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Because there is no way to store it. Distributing it will be cost defective. If it were a feasible source, it would have outpaced the use of fossil fuels long ago. Whenever the govt has to step in, in order to make another market "competative" what does that mean? Means people don't want the junk because it doesn't work.

And where do you green weenies think electricity comes from? Popcicles? Good luck trying to make that without coal. Duh.

Why isn't anyone talking about all the batteries that will fill landfills once they bite the dust?

Look at the piece of cr#p lightbulbs---the "energy efficient" ones. Of COURSE they use less electricity because the lighting quality is POOR, the darn things burn out after 3 or 4 uses, and they cost an arm and a leg. BTW, they are filled with mercury, which last time I checked, was a poison and bad for the environment. You've got to take special preventive measures to clean up a bulb if it breaks. It's insane.

Let's put out cr*p people don't want a charge a large amount for it because we want to discourage behavior. Duh again.

I could go on, but why bother?
Researchers have made a major advance in inorganic chemistry that could lead to a cheap way to store energy from the sun. In so doing, they have solved one of the key problems in making solar energy a dominant source of electricity.

Solar-Power Breakthrough - ABC News
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