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Old 09-15-2009, 10:27 AM
 
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"Sadly, however, even now, more than 217 years after the ratification of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, some confidently assert that the government has the power to arrest and detain or restrict American citizens for months on end ... not because there is evidence that they have committed a crime, but merely because the government wishes to investigate them for possible wrongdoing, or to prevent them from having contact with others in the outside world," the statement added.

Bush's attorney general might face trial
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Sometimes retaining people without knowing what crime they committed before the arrest. We have seen this in other times and other places. We should avoid doing it here.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:41 AM
 
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"Sadly, however, even now, more than 217 years after the ratification of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, some confidently assert that the government has the power to arrest and detain or restrict American citizens for months on end ... not because there is evidence that they have committed a crime, but merely because the government wishes to investigate them for possible wrongdoing, or to prevent them from having contact with others in the outside world," the statement added.

Bush's attorney general might face trial
Couple of points:

1) Look at what we did after Pearl Harbor...FDR locked up many Japanese Americans and held them in camps.
2) In times of war, foreigners or those who have been under surveillance and thought to have ties to terrorists, its the govt's call. Once you start putting hand-cuffs on law enforcement like David Dinkens did in NYC, you will have chaos and criminals running wild in the streets like they were doing in NYC during Dinkins.
3) If ******** broke the law or denied rights granted under the Constitution, then he should be charged and judged by a jury of his peers. If not, then the left needs to get over it..like the right needed to get over Clinton.

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Old 09-15-2009, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Order is more important than Freedom. That is the first choice of the meek and fearful.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:45 AM
 
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Couple of points:

1) Look at what we did after Pearl Harbor...FDR locked up many Japanese Americans and held them in camps.
2) In times of war, foreigners or those who have been under surveillance and thought to have ties to terrorists, its the govt's call. Once you start putting hand-cuffs on law enforcement like David Dinkens did in NYC, you will have chaos and criminals running wild in the streets like they were doing in NYC during Dinkins.
3) If ******** broke the law or denied rights granted under the Constitution, then he should be charged and judged by a jury of his peers. If not, then the left needs to get over it..like the right needed to get over Clinton.

Wonder why the interned Japanese-Americans weren't tortured for information.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Couple of points:

1) Look at what we did after Pearl Harbor...FDR locked up many Japanese Americans and held them in camps.
What? Or should I say, so what? FDR did it, so that makes it okay? What kind of argument is that?
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2) In times of war, foreigners or those who have been under surveillance and thought to have ties to terrorists, its the govt's call. Once you start putting hand-cuffs on law enforcement like David Dinkens did in NYC, you will have chaos and criminals running wild in the streets like they were doing in NYC during Dinkins.
Again, what? How on earth is upholding our constitution the same as "putting handcuffs on law enforcement"? What?
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3) If ******** broke the law or denied rights granted under the Constitution, then he should be charged and judged by a jury of his peers.
Dude, that's what they're doing!
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All three judges, selected by former Republican presidents, decided that the former Attorney General had violated the US civil rights acts stipulated in the constitution by applying authoritarian procedures that gave him immunity from prosecution.
I'd suggest it's you who needs to "get over it" and accept the fact that the Bush administration was filled with criminal acts and actors.
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Old 09-15-2009, 01:37 PM
 
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Couple of points:

1) Look at what we did after Pearl Harbor...FDR locked up many Japanese Americans and held them in camps.
Detaining American citizens was declared unconstitutional by Ex parte Endo, or Ex parte Mitsuye Endo, 323 U.S. 283 (1944). In 1983, Congress established the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians which found that internment of Japanese Americans was, "unjust and motivated by racism rather than real military necessity." In 1988 signed the Civil Liberties Act of 1988 which provided $1.2 billion, in reparations those who were unconstitutionally detained.
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Old 09-15-2009, 01:58 PM
 
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I'd suggest it's you who needs to "get over it" and accept the fact that the Bush administration was filled with criminal acts and actors.

No prosecutions..no convictions = no credibility...dude
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Old 09-15-2009, 01:59 PM
 
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Detaining American citizens was declared unconstitutional by Ex parte Endo, or Ex parte Mitsuye Endo, 323 U.S. 283 (1944). In 1983, Congress established the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians which found that internment of Japanese Americans was, "unjust and motivated by racism rather than real military necessity." In 1988 signed the Civil Liberties Act of 1988 which provided $1.2 billion, in reparations those who were unconstitutionally detained.
Ok...
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Old 09-15-2009, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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I'd suggest it's you who needs to "get over it" and accept the fact that the Bush administration was filled with criminal acts and actors.

No prosecutions..no convictions = no credibility...dude
Really? None? Hmmmmm. . .

A federal jury found former White House aide David H. Safavian guilty yesterday of lying and obstructing justice

Former FDA Commissioner Lester Crawford pleaded guilty Tuesday to conflict of interest and false reporting

John T. Korsmo, the former Chairman of the Federal Housing Finance Board, pleaded guilty to making false statements to a Senate committee and an Inspector General who were looking into Korsmo’s participation in a congressional fundraising event in October 2002

Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, was convicted Tuesday of lying and obstructing a leak investigation that reached into the highest levels of the Bush administration.
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