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Old 09-22-2009, 05:42 AM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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it is impossible to have a debate with a Republican, I learned this during the 8 years of the Bush administration

You learned something?

Wow.
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Old 09-22-2009, 06:46 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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This might have some merit if every one of his shows that someone posts on here wasn't filled w/hateful diatribe.
This is the kind of statement that causes people like you to lose virtually all credibility.

I have never heard a single show of Glenn Beck, radio or TV, filled with "hateful diatribe". Healthy debate — and I mean real debate, not what is often passed off for debate on other "news" shows, where one side "shouts down" the other with meaningless rants, because they are incapable of making a valid argument for their position — disagreement with a point of view, exposing corruption and uncovering the radical (way out of the mainstream) beliefs, etc. of people in high places in our government, is not "hateful". It is what should be done. Perhaps you need to check your definition of "hate". You are confusing "hate" with disagreement.

Some people actually hate George Bush. Their feelings toward him are beyond disagreement with his policies, or how he ran the war. They just plain hate the man. They wished him dead. There was even a movie made about assassination of Bush. He was compared to Hitler. They called him a murderer.

I hear nothing of this coming from Glenn Beck.

Van Jones should have been exposed. He has no place and no business being in American government. His beliefs are anathema to freedom and the ideas of liberty.

This is true of almost every "Czar" that Obama has appointed as an advisor.

It is not "hate" to point this out. It is what every citizen who loves this country should be doing. These people should have been vetted in the first place. Every American should be informed about who is in our government, and know their backgrounds. This is the only way liberty can be preserved.

Obama claimed his administration would be "transparent". Well, talk is cheap. We have seen no "transparency" whatsoever. Everything is done under cover of darkness. While controversy is stirred up over an issue like "health care", something else is being quietly slipped in behind the scenes.

This is an ugly administration. It is corrupt to the core, like we have never had in our history. Everything is "Chicago style", and everyone is interconnected. Obama, ACORN, Soros, The Appolo Alliance, Tides Foundation, and others. Everyone from those corrupt organizations moves from one to the other and is advising the president on everything from your health care, to tax policy, to environmental issues, to water policy in California, which is drying up our farmlands and affecting our food supply. Another "czar" intends to affect our meat industry, by control of cattle lands and grazing rights. He happens to think we shouldn't eat meat (Cass Sunstein). So he will take it upon himself to see that it isn't available for us.

Not only this, but bills, which according to the Constitution ("all bills must originate in the House of Representatives") are being written outside of Congress by some of the above mentioned organizations, and then presented to the congress, assigned a number, and then voted on (Is it any wonder no one knows what's in them?).

These are the issues that Beck and others are bringing to light.

This is not "hate". It is common sense. And somebody had better be doing it.
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Old 09-22-2009, 06:54 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Oh nothing specific, I don't have cable so I don't watch Fox. I'm just putting it out there.
You don't watch Fox? Yet you criticize it?

You're like the people that don't listen to Rush, who are always making posts about how hateful he is, or claiming he said something he never said.
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Old 09-22-2009, 07:04 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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he wont call out the Republicans if they have the power

He might say he doesn't like the Republicans, but that is so he can appeal to both sides

If McCain or a white person was doing what Obama is doing, he wouldn't do his phony rants and his propaganda like he is doing
What are you calling "propaganda" from Beck? Everything I have heard from him is factual. Can you be specific?


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He claimed he didn't like Bush, but he didnt do the outrageous crap like he is doing now, when Bush was FAR deserving of worse treatment then whatever Obama is doing
Really? Deserving of "worse"? I don't think so. What would be worse than the attempt to overthrow our American system of governmet, our Representative Republic, which is what Obama and his team are attempting to do.

Everyone of Obama's team is of the same ilk, and they are all interrelated. They are all linked. This is an attempt to "fundamentally transform America", just as Obama said.

Sorry. I don't want what this man is selling. He's a fraud, and he got elected fraudulently.
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Old 09-22-2009, 07:09 AM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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What are you calling "propaganda" from Beck? Everything I have heard from him is factual. Can you be specific?




Really? Deserving of "worse"? I don't think so. What would be worse than the attempt to overthrow our American system of governmet, our Representative Republic, which is what Obama and his team are attempting to do.

Everyone of Obama's team is of the same ilk, and they are all interrelated. They are all linked. This is an attempt to "fundamentally transform America", just as Obama said.

Sorry. I don't want what this man is selling. He's a fraud, and he got elected fraudulently.
I would rep you but I have to spread it around to all the other smart people here.


Now the loons are living in a dream world of what if's.

Lets face it, ObamAcorn is in the WH and the country is going to hell.

Who would have ever thought that?
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Old 09-22-2009, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I think I am well represented by my Federal Representative, Carroll Shea-Porter and my Federal Senator Paul Hodes from New Hampshire. They are both Democrats and, like myself, support President Obama's policies.
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Old 09-22-2009, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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They would all vote for Bush again as a matter of fact
If the democrats offered alternatives like Gore and Kerry, then what choice is there but the likes of Bush. I would have voted for a sensible democrat, but they did not give me any choice.

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Old 09-22-2009, 07:47 AM
 
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He's correct.

Look at Bush. Everything he did was big government progressive. He got away with it because he has an R after his name. McCain would've too.

What Beck is saying is that with McCain much of the stuff Obama is proposing would've gotten through. It's not that hard to figure out.

This country has been moving towrds socialism since WWII. Doesn't matter who's in the White House. Repub or Dem. Obama is just so open about it that people finally realize what is going on.
Only the clear thinking understood there was no difference between McCain and Obama. The puppet strings still lead to the same puppeteer.
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Old 09-22-2009, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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You people are priceless. If Beck slams Obama he gets dogged. If Beck slams the other side (you know, the one you claim is in bed with Fox) then he still gets dogged. At least Beck calls out cr*p on both sides of the house instead of defending one party to the end in some sort of ideological straightjacket.
They are most likely partisan party hacks, anyone who is not a democrat is hated, vilified and ridiculed, and anyone who is a democrat is loved, praised, admired and never critiqued. Last I checked, Beck was not a Democratic Party man.
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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he wont call out the Republicans if they have the power

He might say he doesn't like the Republicans, but that is so he can appeal to both sides

If McCain or a white person was doing what Obama is doing, he wouldn't do his phony rants and his propaganda like he is doing


He claimed he didn't like Bush, but he didnt do the outrageous crap like he is doing now, when Bush was FAR deserving of worse treatment then whatever Obama is doing
No? Sounds like he is calling Bush a liar on TV:

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BECK: Well, President Bush gave a speech today touting the "comprehensive immigration package." Really?

Here`s the point tonight. This new "comprehensive immigration package" is nothing but a "comprehensive lie." And here`s how I got there. This is what the president had to say earlier today, in his glorified photo op.

CNN.com - Transcripts
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