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Old 09-28-2009, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Nashville
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Opinion: Welcome to the New Germany - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International



Looks pretty clear-cut to me. The liberal Socialist Democrats have been kicked to the curb.
The Spiegel is Germany's Telegraph. Please stop being intellectual dishonest and note the slant of the links you post. I'm sure if a Socialist won the past elections, and the Huffington Post reported that Europe was evolving into a socialist union, you would disregard such a claim.
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:48 AM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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Parties in europe don't get voted in, the existing shower get voted out when things start to go bad. People generaly don't vote on ideological grounds. No conservative goverment could institute US style healthcare, education or welfare systems without loosing office. So while you will see some cost controls implemented, there is only so much underfunding of public services people will tolerate before the 'socialists' get voted back in. It happens in cycles every 10 years or so.
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The Spiegel is Germany's Telegraph. Please stop being intellectual dishonest and note the slant of the links you post. I'm sure if a Socialist won the past elections, and the Huffington Post reported that Europe was evolving into a socialist union, you would disregard such a claim.
Stop denying the truth.

The very FACTS, RESULTS and STATISTICS of the election prove the point.
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:57 AM
 
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Oh... ok.. I understand..

In one of your post you talked about the dutch pharmasists but I think now in relation to the articles relating to Germany it must be ther German Pharmasists
No it was this morning in the Dutch papers about the Dutch pharmacies....

Zware tijden voor apothekers - Binnenland - Telegraaf.nl [24 uur actueel, ook mobiel] [binnenland] Sorry this article is in Dutch....but it is stating how pharmacies will loose a lot of income due to the cuts in medications....maybe some will say, the pharmacist made a lot of money, but it isn't them who will loose so much, they will just fire some employees to keep their income...so more jobless people!
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:01 AM
 
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i thought what europeans did and thought didn't matter? oh i guess that's only when they're doing and saying things that the right don't like.

and what everyone else said - our democrats would be right wing in almost every european country. western europe has a loooong way to go before a party equivalent to the republicans becomes viable in any country, and it probably won't happen.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The issues Merkel campaigned on - tax relief, pro-business, tax-code alterations, nuclear energy are certainly not part of ANY liberal agenda, whether in the US or abroad.

No one is saying her coalition is the same as US conservatives, but her party platform is dang close.

The results of the election speak for themselves. A center-right coalition, interested in tax relief, promoting business and deregulation and expanding nuclear energy.

The former party in power, the Socialist Democrats, interested in only taxes the wealthy, are now in the weeds.

This scenario sounds vaguely familiar.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Saturn
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The issues Merkel campaigned on - tax relief, pro-business, tax-code alterations, nuclear energy are certainly not part of ANY liberal agenda, whether in the US or abroad.

No one is saying her coalition is the same as US conservatives, but her party platform is dang close.
It isn't.

Assuming that you're capable of doing so, you need to familiarise yourself with European politics.

And lest you need reminding Europe far outstrips the USA in terms of economic performance.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:14 AM
 
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i thought what europeans did and thought didn't matter? oh i guess that's only when they're doing and saying things that the right don't like.

and what everyone else said - our democrats would be right wing in almost every european country. western europe has a loooong way to go before a party equivalent to the republicans becomes viable in any country, and it probably won't happen.
The Dem. over here and specially Obama wouldn't be right wing as you are stated....Obama would be a member of the socialist party if he was in The Netherlands and probably of the communist party with his views.

Quaote "i thought what europeans did and thought didn't matter? oh i guess that's only when they're doing and saying things that the right don't like."

It seems it matter since Obama is trying to implement all things that are or have been done in Europe and Europeans are getting sick off! Tell me why are Europeans with money coming to the USA for surgeries? Why aren't Americans' go to Europe for surgeries in the amount as they are coming over here....?
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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It isn't.

Assuming that you're capable of doing so, you need to familiarise yourself with European politics.

And lest you need reminding Europe far outstrips the USA in terms of economic performance.

I think the results of this election and others pretty much corroborates my point.

Oh, how many countries are in Europe? So, you will compare a whole continent to one country?

Even at that ratio - there is no comparison to the US economic strength and Europe.
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Old 09-28-2009, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Europe
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Stop denying the truth.

The very FACTS, RESULTS and STATISTICS of the election prove the point.
Facts? Excuse me, but you are not very well informed.

1. The "conservative" CDU lost votes in comparison to 2005.
2. It was Merkel that raised the salex tax in 2005. Why does a government need so much taxes?
3. The Real Left Party gained votes from 8% to 12%. Voters especially in the East voted for the Left Party.
4. The SPD who was the biggest loser in the election, lost due to voters shifting to the Left and the Green Party, and the now stronger FDP.
5. The reasons why people didn't vote for SPD are various. Your explanation is just plain ignorant.
I could explain it to you, but you are not willing nor able to comprehend anything that has to do with politics, AND most important, with european politics.

If everybody that lives in Europe tells you that you are wrong, then you should start thinking they might be right. But your misinformation is much more convenient for you.
Btw, I did not vote for the SPD, as well as not for the Left Party, so I have no reason to defend those parties.

Why don't you start asking Germans, that live and vote in Germany, why they did not vote for the SPD? Maybe you start by asking me why I did not vote for them, but as I said, you'd rather live in your little disillusion.
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