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Old 09-29-2009, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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My concern is those that come to work sick and spread their illness to others.
It also concerns me considering a lot of the industries in which sick leave is not granted: retail. We all have to interact with cashiers for the most part.




I guess it doesn't sound rough looking at it from a business perspective but I like to think of humans more than profits.

I'm all for personal responsibility, don't get me wrong. People need to save up and try to plan for sick days. At the same times, a lot of the sectors where sick days aren't offered are low paid sectors of employment. You have people who are nurse aides or nurse assistants and they can't get a day of sick leave. How's that for infection control....


RayinAK, Google has some AMAZING benefits. I would consider doing some questionable things for those benefits.
Well, you make some good points. Obviously, there's a humanistic view and a business decision view. Ideally the individual would stay home when the're sick, paid or not but now you're asking for employers to compensate for employees bad judgement by offering mandated liberal sick pay. I'm sure if studies were done concerning productivity levels by offering sick pay verses not, the business concerned would adopt the most cost efficient strategy. Lots of factors. Ratio of people getting sick when one comes to work verses keeping people home and paying them to be sick.
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Old 09-29-2009, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Over There
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My concern is those that come to work sick and spread their illness to others.
It also concerns me considering a lot of the industries in which sick leave is not granted: retail. We all have to interact with cashiers for the most part.
I agree but I also think many companies did away with it because of abuse. I know my husbands company use to have unlimited sick days and people were taking advantage so they now have 10 per year. Also many companies have changed the name from sick days to personal days I know Macy's offers personal days and vacation days. I would think the personal days woudl be used as sick or whatever.
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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That's where you work. Please don't think is everywhere.
While it's nice your company does this, I take issue that only women can take off when they have kids. What about people who don't have children? What if they need to take care of an ill family member?

Are We a Family-Friendly Nation?
25 years ago I worked at a health dept. that allowed you to take sick days off for "dependent sick leave". You could take it off for anyone; to drive your husband to the dr., to take care of elderly parents, etc.

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Well I know that salaried employees are different then non-salaried. My husband is salaried ad he just takes off when he needs to but he also can be expected to work 12 hours a day and not get overtime.

I think most major companies offer some sick days as they should but the problem is that people look at it like extra vacation days. They take them even if they are not sick just because they think they can.
You need to have a chat with your husband about his benefits. I have never heard of salaried people being able to take off whenever they felt like it. I have been salaried, as has my husband. You still get sick days, vacations days, whatever they call them at the business. Even when my husband worked for a very small company, you could not take more vacation than you had accrued. You could, however, sometimes take an afternoon off to attend to family business.
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:35 PM
 
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You need to have a chat with your husband about his benefits. I have never heard of salaried people being able to take off whenever they felt like it. I have been salaried, as has my husband. You still get sick days, vacations days, whatever they call them at the business. Even when my husband worked for a very small company, you could not take more vacation than you had accrued. You could, however, sometimes take an afternoon off to attend to family business.
It depends on the company. I work for a pretty small company now and we get 3 weeks PTO (includes sick days or whatever) a year.

If we use up our 3 weeks for the year we just get docked pay.

If you don't get your work done because you're out all the time for dubious reasons you're probably going to get fired anyway.
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I think you misunderstood my post. We basically agree. Anyone who thinks salaried people just come and go at will is naive.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:41 PM
 
Location: OB
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Anyone who thinks salaried people just come and go at will is naive.
You simply can't sell youself.

The great thing about America is that a 10th generational person born into poverty can easily make the leap into 1st generational rich.

Naive. Hello? I'm salaried and have worked in DC, Philly, and San Diego. I can come and go to any city I please. Dude - it's so easy

- i could mng retail
- i could bartend/wait staff
- i could cater
- i could tech

If you have a job without PTO, you could always find a new job. *shrug*
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Old 09-30-2009, 01:10 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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What do you think of paid sick leave?
Should companies be required to provide x amount of paid sick leave days?
If so, what's an appropriate amount of days?

Some argue it would hurt businesses. Some argue it helps the business and society at large by keeping sick people at home. Think about it, you don't want your sick colleague coming to work spreading their germs.

Too sick to work? That's simply too bad | StarTribune.com

Poder 360° - Paid Sick Days, a Luxury in the U.S.

50% of Americans Lack Sick Leave (Poverty in America - Change.org)
Paid sick days are offered to employees as an incentive for employment. The description "sick day", is a nice way of saying "unplanned vacation day" because, that's what most people use them for. When they get sick, they either come in to work any way or if they're too sick they stay home.....whether or not they have any sick days left that they can use (or vacation days if the employer allows them to be used like sick days), is usually not the determining factor for many.
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Old 09-30-2009, 01:42 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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What do you think of paid sick leave?
Should companies be required to provide x amount of paid sick leave days?
Some companies provide it as a benefit - others don't

There should be no mandatory benefits required of employers.

If an employer wishes to provide sick leave (or other perks) fine -
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:17 AM
 
Location: California
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My old company provided PTO days, Personal Time Off. I don't remember what the number was but they were days you could use for vacation or sick time. When you used them up you didn't get paid anymore.
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Old 09-30-2009, 04:14 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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My company just gives us a base line "Paid time off".

We used to have a seperate PTO, vacation, and sick leave, but they just wrapped it all up under one umbrella.

I think companies should give everyone at least one week a year of sick time, paid. It makes for a healtier work force, and its a good societal move because you don't have sick people coming to work, spreading the disease.
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