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Old 10-03-2009, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma City
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I think McCain is darn glad he didn't win. Likewise I'm doubtful if Barry's narcacism will allow him to run again in 2012. Hillary on the other hand is always ready. Maybe a Palin/Hillary show down...now that may be quite entertaining.
Hillary works for Obama. She is loyal to him and her job as SOS. I think she's thriving as SOS.
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Old 10-03-2009, 07:09 PM
 
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Some anger against Obama is misplaced. After all, he's just a puppet too. Look at his antiwar pledges, now you see him hawkish on Middle East wars, he's increasing troop levels, he even stood at the podium in Pittsburgh and started agitating for another one with Iran. Obama is learning that if he doesn't support the Israeli/Zionist agenda they'll turn the Lobby against him in force and he'll be a one term President. Jewish-Americans are the largest donor bloc to the Democrat Party.
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Old 10-03-2009, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I think the problem is Republicans dont want Obama reelected in 2012. Every single basic idea that Obama has proposed has been met with heavy backlash from townhall rallies. How do you make change if your walking on eggshells? how do you make change when a large group people want you to fail?

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The far right (Palin supporters) are on an agenda to put Obama in a place where he wont be reelected. And its sad because they are hurting America in the process.
The extremists from both parties are people made from the same mold....they both make the most noise.....they both hate each other....they both accuse the other hatred and being anti-american....they both accuse the other of lying, while lying themselves (sometimes even lying about the others lies...lol)....but, most importantly they fool no one but themselves.

Just because people don't like what they're hearing coming from the current administration, it doesn't mean they want them to fail.....if they fail we all fail. It simply means they don't like what they're hearing and they want to hear something different but, they're not hearing it. The real problem is, they're politicians and they're all worried about re-election. The democrats in both the house and the senate have enough members to do whatever they want....the republicans alone do not have the power to stop them. Nothing is getting accomplished though because the democrats are not in agreement enough with each other over all of the changes that are being proposed (and all at once too). At election time, many of them do not have enough votes to ensure re-election without the support of voters from outside of their party and they realize, ignoring what those moderate voters are saying now, will mean getting ignored by them later, on election day.

Democrats need to stop blaming their indecisiveness on the other party (that actually doesn't have the power to really stop them) and face reality. They are of the majority but, some are from areas of the country that are a lot less liberal than others and even though they're all democrats. They all have to respect constituents that they each represent.....which is difficult with an administration and a house speaker (that doesn't need voters from outside of her party to get re-elected in her district) that are a lot further left than others.
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:49 PM
 
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Maybe a Palin/Hillary show down...now that may be quite entertaining.
Ugh.
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Old 10-04-2009, 01:43 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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With all respect to my friends across the pond, the UK tax system would be laughed out of Congress here in the US as far too regressive. In the US, the upper-middle class and the rich pay the majority of the taxes - almost 90% of all taxes in fact.

Yes, it is our health system. I think that everybody should have to pay for it. Obama started out reform by stating there would be no cost to most Americans, and that he was going to pay for it by taxing the rich and cutting costs. Does that sound like everybody is going to pay for "their health system"?
In the UK we have a tax system that taxes the higher earners at a much higher rate than the middle and lower earners. The rich are taxed more. No one is crying in their soup. The tax that is paid for the UK health and welfare system is seperate from Income tax. It covers much more than just health and is still cheaper than what Americans pay just for Health Insurance. It also covers every single UK citizen and resident. No one whines about paying for anyone who can't afford it and the cover continues when you retire and stop paying. You are covered ALL of your life from cradle to grave.
Obama was vored in with a mandate to change the American Health system. Unfortunately because of downright lies and misinformation, the American people have been frightened into thinking that a Govt health system means Govt. interference and restricted health...it DOESN'T. Many more restrictions and interference occurs with the Insurance Companies.
Obama is keeping his side of the bargain but the Republican's quest to topple him and get re-elected is stopping America from moving forward.
I thought Americans would not be so naive as to let bad politics brainwash them into forgetting why they voted Obama into office in the first place....................For CHANGE!
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Old 10-04-2009, 02:08 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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The World watched Obama being voted in as the President of the United States. The World rejoiced at America's apparent stand against all that had been bad in America and all that was new and inspiring.
The World watched the American people being split in two by the seedy politics, huge corporations and biased self interest media that runs America.
The World is watching America throw away the opportunity to move into the 21st Century and once again be the leaders and not followers by clinging onto the "business as usual" politics, corruption and greed that has destroyed much of America.
Obama cannot help America if it keeps jumping into the water to drown.
If Obama fails it will be because of the paranoia created by the right wing media in its bid for power and NOT because Obama got it wrong. Look in the mirror because......
If he fails it will be everyone's failure
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Old 10-04-2009, 03:11 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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President Obama's "rating" with the American people is declining steadily. The trip to Europe re the Olympics was a total waste and failure. At a time of economic crisis, it was an expenditure of money that was totally unnecessary.

As for health care issue - flat out - we cannot financially afford to cover everyone. The money is just not there. Its time that we as a nation acknowledge this FACT.

Militarily - for the CIC to speak with his General in charge of a war once since taking office is reprehensible and irresponsible. Obama had the time to make 8 videos for the IOC - but could not find the time to review the Generals assessment of a war?

IMO, Obama will be a one term President.
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Old 10-04-2009, 03:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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President Obama's "rating" with the American people is declining steadily. The trip to Europe re the Olympics was a total waste and failure. At a time of economic crisis, it was an expenditure of money that was totally unnecessary.

As for health care issue - flat out - we cannot financially afford to cover everyone. The money is just not there. Its time that we as a nation acknowledge this FACT.

Militarily - for the CIC to speak with his General in charge of a war once since taking office is reprehensible and irresponsible. Obama had the time to make 8 videos for the IOC - but could not find the time to review the Generals assessment of a war?

IMO, Obama will be a one term President.
You for real dude?
Obama's "rating" is dropping for the very reason that geeoro said. The Republican hate machine in full flow. It will turn around as soon as we realise how we have been taken in by the scare tactics.

We can afford to cover everyone by cutting the horrendous waste that makes our present health system more expensive than even the uk. We can all pay the tax as it will be our health system. If you don't want to pay tax for a health system then you could always move to Iran. They don't care if their citizens die there either.
I'm sure Obama has talked to many military chiefs many imes since he took office. Obama was right about not going into Iraq. He is where the war should be fought. Wish he had been in charge after 9/11 we wouldn't be trillions in debt rebuilding Iraq.
You think he will be one term. We shall see.
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The extremists from both parties are people made from the same mold....they both make the most noise.....they both hate each other....they both accuse the other hatred and being anti-american....they both accuse the other of lying, while lying themselves (sometimes even lying about the others lies...lol)....but, most importantly they fool no one but themselves.

Just because people don't like what they're hearing coming from the current administration, it doesn't mean they want them to fail.....if they fail we all fail. It simply means they don't like what they're hearing and they want to hear something different but, they're not hearing it. The real problem is, they're politicians and they're all worried about re-election. The democrats in both the house and the senate have enough members to do whatever they want....the republicans alone do not have the power to stop them. Nothing is getting accomplished though because the democrats are not in agreement enough with each other over all of the changes that are being proposed (and all at once too). At election time, many of them do not have enough votes to ensure re-election without the support of voters from outside of their party and they realize, ignoring what those moderate voters are saying now, will mean getting ignored by them later, on election day.

Democrats need to stop blaming their indecisiveness on the other party (that actually doesn't have the power to really stop them) and face reality. They are of the majority but, some are from areas of the country that are a lot less liberal than others and even though they're all democrats. They all have to respect constituents that they each represent.....which is difficult with an administration and a house speaker (that doesn't need voters from outside of her party to get re-elected in her district) that are a lot further left than others.
You are right that the other party cannot stop the administration but there is corruption in both parties. There are dems who will refuse to vote with their party unless they get certain concessions. That is why the stimulus bill has so many stupid "wooden arrows" in it.
You also have the news media who scream at the American people how they are in danger of losing everything if they go along with Obama. Their are many who believe this hate speech and have hidden under their "beds". Many here believe everything they see or hear from these radical broadcasters. That is a big reason as to why Obama is not being allowed to do what he promised. Americans being scared out of their minds by the hate speech media and the old school who do not want change in America in case they lose any of their imaginary superiority.
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:15 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I agree. As evidenced on this very forum, any & every single thought, word, idea that Obama & his administration has either done or proposed has been met w/insults, cattiness, judgment, etc. I can't even imagine being him right now, that must truly suck. The people in this country have shown themselves to be immature selfish little brats who have no thought for anything but how to beat someone down. I'm embarrassed to actually live here w/the behavior that I've witnessed. All I can say is that this administration has risen above this immaturity & the more they do that, the worse you people look, not that you could look any worse.
lmao great post, love the "beat someone down" in the same sentence as "immature selfish brats" and then "not that you could look any worse"

I'll admit, you had me going, thinking you were serious.
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