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Hi i was looking through the CBO budget and realized. We have to make tough choices i think we should start taking steps to reform Medicare and Social Security. Bush, tried to reform social security, but no one wanted to hear it, so we need to make the tough decision. I'm against nationalized health-care, we just cannot afford to have debt equaling more than 20% of GDP it is not sustainable.
I propose we take the tough steps to move away from Big Government and cut Medicare and Social Security or at least reform these programs, so they only cost us like a couple 100 billion a year as opposed to a trillion.
We'd have a budget short fall this year of only 288 Billion if we got rid of these programs. I think we should also get our troops the heck out of Iraq and reduce defense spending for the time being.
If we did this we could balance the budget.
Who is with me no more socialism, not here, not now, not ever????
Reagan knew it was political suicide to touch Social Security. People are against government in general until checks start rolling in and they have no way of supporting themselves otherwise because of age / retirement.
Scratch Social Security off your list of things to get rid of.
Welcome to the world of lobbying.
Also, I disagree with your premise that we should not be taking care of our older population, which is what SS and Medicare is designed to do. How about dealing with illegal immigrants? They are far more detrimental to this country than old folks who've already paid their dues.
Reagan knew it was political suicide to touch Social Security. People are against government in general until checks start rolling in and they have no way of supporting themselves otherwise because of age / retirement.
Bluefly, I'll respect your position on this topic as long as you're not one of the many posters, that makes those crazy post about stopping the on coming socialism etc. Considering 40% of the Federal Budget goes to socialist programs like medicare and social security. I'm just attempting to make a larger point. I highly doubt these programs would ever get touched, because of exactly what you said, the 80 Million Americans leaching off younger tax payers would loose their heads if the program was touched. However, these same leaches are often the same one's complaining about other social programs like housing or welfare, so i find it a bit hypcritical.
Anyway, my larger point is that we institutied these programs and they're out of hand. We cannot pay for them anymore and i would suspect the samething will happen with nationalized Health Care.
Scratch Social Security off your list of things to get rid of.
Welcome to the world of lobbying.
Also, I disagree with your premise that we should not be taking care of our older population, which is what SS and Medicare is designed to do. How about dealing with illegal immigrants? They are far more detrimental to this country than old folks who've already paid their dues.
Great point the AARP wields significant lobbying power, because those individuals that live off the backs of the younger population's hard work, are dam good a mobilizing and hitting the voting booths come election time. I cannot stand lobbying, especially lobbying that negatively effects me.
Bluefly, I'll respect your position on this topic as long as you're not one of the many posters, that makes those crazy post about stopping the on coming socialism etc. Considering 40% of the Federal Budget goes to socialist programs like medicare and social security. I'm just attempting to make a larger point. I highly doubt these programs would ever get touched, because of exactly what you said, the 80 Million Americans leaching off younger tax payers would loose their heads if the program was touched. However, these same leaches are often the same one's complaining about other social programs like housing or welfare, so i find it a bit hypcritical.
Anyway, my larger point is that we institutied these programs and they're out of hand. We cannot pay for them anymore and i would suspect the samething will happen with nationalized Health Care.
I have to ask, are you familiar with the Social Security program? You seem to believe that the majority of recipients are "leeches," which is absolutely without merit.
I have to ask, are you familiar with the Social Security program? You seem to believe that the majority of recipients are "leeches," which is absolutely without merit.
AreoGuy, please feel free to correct if i'm not correct, that is definitely the point of such a debate and i'm certainly not always correct our 100% knowledgeable, so feel free to let me know if i'm stating something incorrectly.
Bluefly, I'll respect your position on this topic as long as you're not one of the many posters, that makes those crazy post about stopping the on coming socialism etc. Considering 40% of the Federal Budget goes to socialist programs like medicare and social security. I'm just attempting to make a larger point. I highly doubt these programs would ever get touched, because of exactly what you said, the 80 Million Americans leaching off younger tax payers would loose their heads if the program was touched. However, these same leaches are often the same one's complaining about other social programs like housing or welfare, so i find it a bit hypcritical.
Anyway, my larger point is that we institutied these programs and they're out of hand. We cannot pay for them anymore and i would suspect the samething will happen with nationalized Health Care.
I will be the first to advocate for limited welfare so people cannot build careers on welfare checks and babies.
I will support temporary public housing provided only long enough for people to get on their feet.
I simply cannot grasp how people who have worked their entire careers producing for our nation suddenly become "leeches" when they are too old to continue working.
A society that expels its elders and its young is a society destined to fail. I simply will not go there with you.
AreoGuy, please feel free to correct if i'm not correct, that is definitely the point of such a debate and i'm certainly not always correct our 100% knowledgeable, so feel free to let me know if i'm stating something incorrectly.
I just have a problem with characterizing the elderly as leeches, who for all intents and purposes, have paid into the Social Security system all their working years and are now reaping the benefits during their sunset years. By implying that they are living off the backs of the younger generation is to assert that they never paid into the system to begin with.
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Hi i was looking through the CBO budget and realized. We have to make tough choices i think we should start taking steps to reform Medicare and Social Security. Bush, tried to reform social security, but no one wanted to hear it, so we need to make the tough decision. I'm against nationalized health-care, we just cannot afford to have debt equaling more than 20% of GDP it is not sustainable.
I propose we take the tough steps to move away from Big Government and cut Medicare and Social Security or at least reform these programs, so they only cost us like a couple 100 billion a year as opposed to a trillion.
We'd have a budget short fall this year of only 288 Billion if we got rid of these programs. I think we should also get our troops the heck out of Iraq and reduce defense spending for the time being.
If we did this we could balance the budget.
Who is with me no more socialism, not here, not now, not ever????
If we were to cut these programs, what will we do with those who are dependent upon their social security checks to make ends meet? I realize that social security is a governmental scam that brings very poor return for the money that retirees have put into it but we can't just drop those seniors who are currently collecting or those who are so close to retirement age. What about those of us who are currently paying into the system, will the government issue us a refund (haha ) if social security is abolished or would it be "tough luck folks"?
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) if social security is abolished or would it be "tough luck folks"?
