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Old 10-17-2009, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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There is nothing wrong with personal gain when you want to keep what you worked hard for. It's the personal gain that makes you want what others worked for that is bad. The welfare class is greedy, they are just greedy for the money others made, they want it -- they want it all, but they don't want to work for it, make any effort of themselves.

LOL..you are ignorant then to the welfare class.. you have the little cartoon in your head that you were fed and led to believe.

There is a problem with GREED and Personal gain when it is at the expense of others lives..

As I have said.. there is a place for socialistic policies and a reason for it.. and then there are places where it doesn't have it's place.. knowing the difference is important..

You can't just blanket socialism and say it's all bad.. nor can you say it's all good..
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Old 10-17-2009, 03:57 PM
 
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is Sweeden a socialist country?
are things that bad in scandinavian countries?

how about this:
we all like paid holidays, paid time off(vacation, sick time, personal day,...rtc), why should we get paid for not working?

we all like benefits...employer do not have to pay healthcare, dental, & vision plans for us.


aren't those socialistic values?
The terms of employment guaranteed those benefits at the time of offering of position. The fact that the deal could have been accepted or turned down based on these factors and others make it capitalism at its fines. Was the employment requirements fairly traded for salary and these benefits. If not, the free market spoke.

You can't have socialsim without a governing body, otherwise its charity or a deal.
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Old 10-17-2009, 03:58 PM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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To answer the thread question,

only 20 % to 25% of the Americans like socialism...

This is a lot...

But capitalism is not propagandised by any party,especially the Reps...

Conservatism is not capitalism...

Normally,we should only have some 10% commie underworld...

We are in a crisis.
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Old 10-17-2009, 03:58 PM
 
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LOL..you are ignorant then to the welfare class.. you have the little cartoon in your head that you were fed and led to believe.

There is a problem with GREED and Personal gain when it is at the expense of others lives..

As I have said.. there is a place for socialistic policies and a reason for it.. and then there are places where it doesn't have it's place.. knowing the difference is important..

You can't just blanket socialism and say it's all bad.. nor can you say it's all good..
The worst greed is to want something you didn't work for, to want that which belongs to others. Coveting your neighbor's money, the money he worked for, that he earned.

Wanting to work hard and profit from your own labor is not greed. Wanting to profit off the labor of others, to steal their labor is slavery.
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Old 10-17-2009, 04:01 PM
 
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I don't think they should have food stamps at all. They should have food pantries and a kind of welfare program that gives the poor rice, bread, beans, government cheese and few few other food basics. The problem is, the welfare types aren't usually very educated about nutrition, they tend to be like little kids going through a store picking out ice cream, cookies, candy, and chips.

Now we have a problem with the welfare types being too obese because they load up on junk food and the health care costs will be enormous. They need a lot more guidance.
Agreed. The staples needed for a meal is one thing, for those who are needy, but the way it is now,,,it really is like a kid in a candy store.
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Old 10-17-2009, 04:04 PM
 
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I look at shopping malls as a microcosm of socialism.

They are all centralized, efficiently laid out, and even climate controlled.

Everything is so neat, tidy and orderly.

Malls attract a lot of people.

Everyone who works there is paid subsistence wages.

Malls are UTOPIA.
And everyone has the choice to quit, to work elsewhere or open a store away from the mall. Freedom is not socialism. Socialism requires government force.

A mall might be communal but it's communal capitalism except for the wages and profits that are confiscated in the form of taxes of course. The workers are earning money, the businesses are earning money. Some workers aren't laying around watching the televisions or playing the video games while the others must give up their paychecks for them - that would be Socialism..

A government forces someone to give up their hard earned wages to redistribute to those who made no effort.
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Old 10-17-2009, 04:06 PM
 
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The worst greed is to want something you didn't work for, to want that which belongs to others. Coveting your neighbor's money, the money he worked for, that he earned.

Wanting to work hard and profit from your own labor is not greed. Wanting to profit off the labor of others, to steal their labor is slavery.
Agreed, but I would add that the "worst" type of greed is to want something you didn't work for,,and when you don't get it,,change the laws giving it to you, even when the laws didn't exist before.
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Old 10-17-2009, 04:07 PM
 
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Those who don't like socialistic policies are those that are too narrow minded to realize how it is at work around them.. and who seem focused on only one thing.. personal gain and GREED.
Greedy, is the expectation that you reap the fruits of your labor.

Wow. The "intelligent" logic you use is astounding.
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Old 10-17-2009, 04:21 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Wanting to profit off the labor of others, to steal their labor is slavery.

Where is there forced labor in America? The only slavery that takes place in America is through confiscatory taxation schemes which fund the warfare/welfare state and Morgan Reserve counterfeiting. Freely choosing to work for someone else instead of offering services, products, or ideas directly to the market is hardly slavery. Employees are simply selling their labor directly to employers instead of the entire market. If they are being "stolen" from, they have chosen to be "robbed".

Anyone can prove if they are being "underpaid" or not by offering their services on the open market. If you can make more on the open market you were "underpaid" and would be better off on your own. If you can't then you should be thankful that someone else is "robbing" you.
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Old 10-17-2009, 04:26 PM
 
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Wanting to profit off the labor of others, to steal their labor is slavery.

Where is there forced labor in America? The only slavery that takes place in America is through confiscatory taxation schemes which fund the warfare/welfare state and Morgan Reserve counterfeiting. Freely choosing to work for someone else instead of offering services, products, or ideas directly to the market is hardly slavery. Employees are simply selling their labor directly to employers instead of the entire market. If they are being "stolen" from, they have chosen to be "robbed".

Anyone can prove if they are being "underpaid" or not by offering their services on the open market. If you can make more on the open market you were "underpaid" and would be better off on your own. If you can't then you should be thankful that someone else is "robbing" you.
I agree. That is my point - when I'm working for my employer, he profits, I profit - and that's capitalism but when the government comes along and robs us of our profits, forces us in other words to work for nothing for the profit of others who did no work, that is slavery.

I should reap the rewards of my labor, the labor of my own body and mind. Socialism robs me of my labor and forces me to work for the benefit of others. It robs me of my own body and my own mind in essence.
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