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Old 10-19-2009, 07:08 AM
 
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Deportation separates family 2:25
Thelma Gutierrez reports on an American girl who had to choose between living in the U.S. or with her family in Mexico.

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Mother and 2 older brothers were deportated because they were her illegally from Mexico and the mom worked without papers...clearly a criminal act. First she takes a job froma citizen and should come here like every one else should do....the legal way!

The 2 youngest kids were born here and could stay here, but they were too young so they left to Mexico with their family. I understand that a 8 grader who never lived in Mexico has to adjust and didn't want to leave, but thanks to her mom who decided (I didn't hear about the father) to do something illegal she risks all her kids to have to leave the country, but at least the family stayed together....until a "good samaritan" came along and heard about the 8 grader rather be here and took it upon him self to offer the family a home for the 8th grader...The mother decided to let the girl go to Texas and live with that family....watch how the girl is in tears when she left her family and although she likes it here she still has tears thinking about her mom and wants to be in her arms....is this man a good samaritan or a person who crossed the line and thinks he can decide for others and create actually more drama and emotional stress for a young girl...

To me the girl would have adjusted and could when she was older come back here if she wanted...isn't living with the mother more important than anything else...It didn't seem the mother was so poor she couldn't afford to keep her daughter....
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:35 AM
 
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Tough call.

I'm of two minds on this. First most illegal immigrants come to the U.S. because they perceive greater economic opportunity, unlike the arguments so pervasive in the immigration forum, so this mother's decision has to be weighed by her perceptions of where her child will be afforded greater life long opportunities.

On the other hand, I can't imagine what could be more important to a child's development, and even long term prosperity, than the maintenance of a strong bond between mother and child. Perhaps in this day and age some degree of that bond can be maintained at a distance, but I still can't imagine that to be on a par with day to day human contact.

Like I said, tough choices. I don't have an answer.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:46 AM
 
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As heartless as this may sound, the mom should have thought about that before she came over here.

It definitely sucks when the parents are deported and the kids stay behind or the kids have to make a choice like that a young age.
I remember seeing something on tv where an 18 year old girl was raising her siblings in the U.S. while her parents were in Mexico. The parents sent money every month but it still wasn't enough.

It definitely sucks that there aren't enough economic prospects in other countries. I wish I had a magic wand that could grant everyone a job who wanted a job, everyone could have health care if they need it, etc. but hey...the world ain't perfect. I have to put my blinders on sometimes and let the world take care of itself.

Ovocatto, I don't even want to go into the illegal immigration forum. Too much vitriol for my taste. What are some of the reasons some people in the Illegal Immigration forum think people immigrate to the U.S.?
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Old 10-19-2009, 08:48 AM
 
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As heartless as this may sound, the mom should have thought about that before she came over here.

It definitely sucks when the parents are deported and the kids stay behind or the kids have to make a choice like that a young age.
I remember seeing something on tv where an 18 year old girl was raising her siblings in the U.S. while her parents were in Mexico. The parents sent money every month but it still wasn't enough.

It definitely sucks that there aren't enough economic prospects in other countries. I wish I had a magic wand that could grant everyone a job who wanted a job, everyone could have health care if they need it, etc. but hey...the world ain't perfect. I have to put my blinders on sometimes and let the world take care of itself.

Ovocatto, I don't even want to go into the illegal immigration forum. Too much vitriol for my taste. What are some of the reasons some people in the Illegal Immigration forum think people immigrate to the U.S.?
I agree with you, but some people never think about the responsibilities and what can happen later if they get kids over here...

Btw not every one who comes here has a bad live abroad...most of them just want a different life and from what they hear abroad, the US is heaven...

In Fl. we have seen how many illegals were working in home building and left due to the housing crisis. The major issue is the companies who hire illegals just to get cheaper help....if they wouldn't hire any illegal, the issue would be less.

To me the good samaritan created an ever bigger issue for the girl later in life, the girl will be dealing with emotional issues of not being with her mother who she clearly loves and a 8th grader will adjust very easily...it isn't like the girl needed to be here to do health issues or her mother not being able to take care of her...it was just her rather be in the US, which thousands of people want to be.
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:06 AM
 
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As heartless as this may sound, the mom should have thought about that before she came over here.
Heartless? Perhaps. Arrogant, most definitely.

One of the worst caveats in economic theory is the phrase, "given perfect information." Why? Because few if any of us make decisions based upon perfect information. We make our decisions based upon the information available to us at the time and guided by the pressures that make such decisions necessary in the first place.

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I don't even want to go into the illegal immigration forum. Too much vitriol for my taste.
I'm still trying to disinfect my monitor as a result of my first visit.
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:32 AM
 
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Heartless? Perhaps. Arrogant, most definitely.

One of the worst caveats in economic theory is the phrase, "given perfect information." Why? Because few if any of us make decisions based upon perfect information. We make our decisions based upon the information available to us at the time and guided by the pressures that make such decisions necessary in the first place.



I'm still trying to disinfect my monitor as a result of my first visit.
In a perfect world, the economic factors in Mexico would be great and the mom would have never had to come here and put her family in that situation. Or heck, in a perfect world our immigration system would be better and it wouldn't take forever to become a citizen.

Excuse my right-wing moment: "She should have thought of that before she came over here."
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:41 AM
 
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Default Sort of blows the "anchor baby" theory out of the water, eh?

So we now have proof in living color that having a child on US soil doesn't guarantee permanent residence or whatever the misconception was - I never got anyone to explain in clear English how they thought things worked.

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The mother decided to let the girl go to Texas and live with that family....watch how the girl is in tears when she left her family and although she likes it here she still has tears thinking about her mom and wants to be in her arms....
Eighth grade is what, 14 years? At that age, you should be involved in this sort of decision. Yeah, it sucks, but at least she got to pick an option. People have faced harder choices than that at a younger age.

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is this man a good samaritan or a person who crossed the line and thinks he can decide for others and create actually more drama and emotional stress for a young girl...
How is he deciding for others? He gave the girl the option of deciding for herself, that's quite a different thing.
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:45 AM
 
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So we now have proof in living color that having a child on US soil doesn't guarantee permanent residence or whatever the misconception was - I never got anyone to explain in clear English how they thought things worked.

Eighth grade is what, 14 years? At that age, you should be involved in this sort of decision. Yeah, it sucks, but at least she got to pick an option. People have faced harder choices than that at a younger age.

How is he deciding for others? He gave the girl the option of deciding for herself, that's quite a different thing.
The girl is a child...how can some one let a child decide....IMO the girl should have stayed with her mom, brothers and sister...if there wasn't an adult who loved her and didn't want her there, that would make a difference to me.
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:54 AM
 
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The girl is a child...how can some one let a child decide....IMO the girl should have stayed with her mom, brothers and sister...if there wasn't an adult who loved her and didn't want her there, that would make a difference to me.
<shrug> I was allowed to make some far-reaching decisions on my own behalf at 13. Teenagers can make level-headed decisions when faced with reality, and they should at the very least have a say.

The mother had every legal right to force her daughter's hand and make her join her in Mexico, but they decided differently. I don't know the maturity level of the daughter and neither, I suspect, do you. So why be annoyed at someone offering an additional option?
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