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No. If we were able to isolate those with the virus and prevent its spread, there would be no epidemic. We had the chance and the President refused to consider it, hence now the level 6 pandemic.
Could you give a link to that, please? Ive never read about that.
Are you saying that Mexicans bring in the flu, that Mexicans just carry it? As I understand it, from Mexico it came here from tourist areas. Wouldnt it be most concentrated around the border, if your claim is true?
I wonder how much of ths swine flu epidemic could have been mitogated if President Obama had done the correct move of putting up a quarrantine against going to/from Mexico back in April when all of this first started? I guess Mexico's economy was more important than lives.
Shouldn't he have known about the impending disaster to follow? The WHO has been talking about upcoming flu epidemics for years.
Looks like this is HIS Katrina.
If the govt can't handle flu vaccinations, how will they be able to manage healthcare for all?
There are theories that the swine flu did not even originate in Mexico. How would closing the borders stop a virus when it cannot even stop illegal immigration?
For one thing, the emergency declaration is not going to send troops into the streets. This:
The proclamation, which Obama signed on Friday night, will make it easier for U.S. medical facilities to handle a surge in flu patients by allowing the waiver of some requirements of Medicare, Medicaid and other federal health insurance programs as needed, the White House said in a statement.
Obama Declares Swine Flu A National Emergency : NPR (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114132895 - broken link)
is what the proclamation means.
As regards the vaccine, read this:
The flu virus has to be grown in chicken eggs, and the yield hasn't been as high as was initially hoped, CDC officials explained. "Even if you yell at them, they don't grow faster," Frieden said.
This: Originally Posted by fopt65
No. If we were able to isolate those with the virus and prevent its spread, there would be no epidemic. We had the chance and the President refused to consider it, hence now the level 6 pandemic.
is completely untrue. Obama was following the World Health Organization's recommendations.
Why is it that some posters on CD, with no health care background whatsoever, think they know more than these people who have spent their careers studying this stuff? We knew a pandemic was actually overdue, we just didn't know when it would come. A few years ago, we thought it would be the bird flu, but that didn't happen. Now, we've got Swine Flu, and it's happening.
For one thing, the emergency declaration is not going to send troops into the streets. This:
The proclamation, which Obama signed on Friday night, will make it easier for U.S. medical facilities to handle a surge in flu patients by allowing the waiver of some requirements of Medicare, Medicaid and other federal health insurance programs as needed, the White House said in a statement.
Obama Declares Swine Flu A National Emergency : NPR (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114132895 - broken link)
is what the proclamation means.
As regards the vaccine, read this:
The flu virus has to be grown in chicken eggs, and the yield hasn't been as high as was initially hoped, CDC officials explained. "Even if you yell at them, they don't grow faster," Frieden said.
This: Originally Posted by fopt65
No. If we were able to isolate those with the virus and prevent its spread, there would be no epidemic. We had the chance and the President refused to consider it, hence now the level 6 pandemic.
is completely untrue. Obama was following the World Health Organization's recommendations.
Why is it that some posters on CD, with no health care background whatsoever, think they know more than these people who have spent their careers studying this stuff? We knew a pandemic was actually overdue, we just didn't know when it would come. A few years ago, we thought it would be the bird flu, but that didn't happen. Now, we've got Swine Flu, and it's happening.
Because some posters think that Obama is in his laboratory in The White House basement and he's doling out flu vaccine according to a list written by death panels.
As for Obama -- though I think highly of the man, he is so obviously not in charge, and is almost totally under the same thumb Bush was. We have a shadow government deciding what goes on. The president is hardly the person that is responsible personally for what's happening. He's just the fall guy, the figurehead. Surely that's clear by now. What gets me, as a progressive, is that he gets called a liberal by the public who voted for him, and a Stalinist by Glenn Beck's ilk, but is actually a centrist, or neo-liberal, which comes nowhere close to being left, or even liberal, and nowhere close to being a Stalinist. He's the same "feelgood" guy Clinton was.
The real guy we needed in there was the only liberal there is left, and that's Kucinich. Only totally anti-war politician of them all, and only one who would not have bailed out all the banks, but nationalized them, instead.
This virus stuff is rediculous. I think it makes those of us who really don't think much about it suddenly defensive and decide to take a stand just to say we have control. I've never had a flu shot, and don't intend to at this point. Follow the money is right. And Naomi Klein is right. Another crisis could be created, we all get absorbed with it. When we come back up for air, the a whole new set of rules restricting even more or our freedoms are in place. My mom, in FL, has this dreaded flu now, I'm pretty sure. I'm hoping she's gonna be ok, she's 84. The first round of antibiotics did nothing. Maybe they wouldn't help anyway. She's not taking this second round prescribed to her. I'm not someone my mom takes any advice from, though she can sure dispense a lot of it.
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I see people witing in line near some kind of building and a guy holding a sign.
Where is this? When is this? What are they lined up for? How many people showed up? Are they waiting because of a shortage of whatever it is they're waiting for or lack of people working to attend to them? This picture does not speak a thousand words, by a long shot.
For one thing, the emergency declaration is not going to send troops into the streets. This:
The proclamation, which Obama signed on Friday night, will make it easier for U.S. medical facilities to handle a surge in flu patients by allowing the waiver of some requirements of Medicare, Medicaid and other federal health insurance programs as needed, the White House said in a statement.
Obama Declares Swine Flu A National Emergency : NPR (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114132895 - broken link)
is what the proclamation means.
As regards the vaccine, read this:
The flu virus has to be grown in chicken eggs, and the yield hasn't been as high as was initially hoped, CDC officials explained. "Even if you yell at them, they don't grow faster," Frieden said.
This: Originally Posted by fopt65
No. If we were able to isolate those with the virus and prevent its spread, there would be no epidemic. We had the chance and the President refused to consider it, hence now the level 6 pandemic.
is completely untrue. Obama was following the World Health Organization's recommendations.
Why is it that some posters on CD, with no health care background whatsoever, think they know more than these people who have spent their careers studying this stuff? We knew a pandemic was actually overdue, we just didn't know when it would come. A few years ago, we thought it would be the bird flu, but that didn't happen. Now, we've got Swine Flu, and it's happening.
What is untrue about using isolation as a means to prevent illness from being spread? Have you never isolated a sick child from his/her siblings to prevent the whole family from getting ill? Doesn't the pediatrician office you work in have separate sick/well waiting rooms? Considering that each person shedding a virus can come in contact with dozens of others before he/she shows signs of the flu, why wouldn't it be considered smart to have isolated those with this virus while the outbreak was still in its infancy?
Instead, we have 1,000 people killed, an overdue H1N1 vaccination, and a delayed seasonal flu vaccine. Doesn't seem to have been handled so "expertly"
"The declaration that Obama signed late Friday authorized Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to bypass federal rules so health officials can respond more quickly to the outbreak, which has killed more than 1,000 people in the United States.
The goal is to remove bureaucratic roadblocks and make it easier for sick people to seek treatment and medical providers to provide it immediately. That could mean fewer hurdles involving Medicare, Medicaid or health privacy regulations."
I'd still like someone tell me what these roadblocks are that are currently preventing anybody from getting treatment (other than the fact that there may not be any vaccine )
I see people witing in line near some kind of building and a guy holding a sign.
Where is this? When is this? What are they lined up for? How many people showed up? Are they waiting because of a shortage of whatever it is they're waiting for or lack of people working to attend to them? This picture does not speak a thousand words, by a long shot.
For all we know, they're waiting in line to get in to a movie, or something.
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