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Old 10-29-2009, 03:50 PM
 
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Nobody prohibits 3rd ( or 4th or whatever...) party candidates to run for office.
The reality is that Americans are satisfied with the 2 party system & rarely an independent candidate gets elected.
So,all this talk about lobbyists & money influence is about urban legends...
The people approve the politicians.
It is just that pols like Cucinich want more power that they deserve...
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:01 PM
 
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Nobody prohibits 3rd ( or 4th or whatever...) party candidates to run for office.
The reality is that Americans are satisfied with the 2 party system & rarely an independent candidate gets elected.
So,all this talk about lobbyists & money influence is about urban legends...
The people approve the politicians.
It is just that pols like Cucinich want more power that they deserve...
Even if you dont agree with his POV, do you agree that this is true? (In place of "we" insert "the Democrats".)

"We compromised on single payer by backing a public option, and now we are being asked to compromise the public option with negotiated rates. In conference, we will likely be asked to compromise negotiated rates with a trigger. In each and every step of the health care debate, the insurance companies have won. If they get hundreds of billions of dollars in new taxpayer subsidies, they get to raise their premiums, and increase their co pays and deductibles, while the public is forced to pay for private insurance, then the insurance companies win big."
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:11 PM
 
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Dennis is an idiot. the aliens he claims to seen should have abducted him and kept him.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:12 PM
 
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No,because the Dems are actually 5 parties in 1 package...

The centrists/conservative Blue Dogs ( EU = Free Democrats,right wing Socialists)

The New Democrats ( EU = Democratic socialists,right & center )

The Unaffiliated ( EU = Left wing Socialists & Labour /Workers Party)

The Progressives ( EU = Labour/Worker & former Communist Parties)

THe environmentalists,scattered in the ...denominations above ( EU = Green Party).

It is a huge coalition party,with irreconciliable differences between many of its members & pols...
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:15 PM
 
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I can't believe it, but I'm in agreement with roysoldboy - at least, partially. In order for this to work, we'd need a parliamentary system. That is true. Where I disagree is in the idea that it would be a bad thing. I think it would be a good thing. The two-party system leads to an us-versus-them mentality on every issue. I think we can do better than that, and in a country that is so diverse, we need more than two voice representing us.
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:26 PM
 
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Nobody prohibits 3rd ( or 4th or whatever...) party candidates to run for office.
The reality is that Americans are satisfied with the 2 party system & rarely an independent candidate gets elected.
So,all this talk about lobbyists & money influence is about urban legends...
The people approve the politicians.

It is just that pols like Cucinich want more power that they deserve...
Your response is so utterly nonsensical that I find it too tedious to respond to it. Get a clue...read something of substance. Lobbyists are urban legends???
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:51 PM
 
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“We compromised on single payer by backing a public option, and now we are being asked to compromise the public option with negotiated rates. In conference, we will likely be asked to compromise negotiated rates with a trigger. In each and every step of the health care debate, the insurance companies have won. If they get hundreds of billions of dollars in new taxpayer subsidies, they get to raise their premiums, and increase their co pays and deductibles, while the public is forced to pay for private insurance, then the insurance companies win big.

“If this is the best we can do, then it is time to ask ourselves whether the two-party system is truly capable of representing the American people or whether the system has been so compromised by special interests that we can’t even protect the health of our own people. This is a moment of truth for the Democratic Party. Will we stand for the people or the insurance companies?”

Dennis Kucinich: Is the 2-Party System truly capable of representing the American people? « Dandelion Salad
I hated that Kucinich was ridiculed during the primaries, he was the only Democrat who was really making sense in many issues. I was hoping for a Kucinich-Paul independent ticket, but that wouldn't get very many votes. I think mixing a massive-government liberal with a no-government conservative would be wonderful, it would lead to compromise and intellectual discussion.

Instead we had Clinton, Obama and Edwards all saying the same things, with Dodd, Richardson and Biden competing for the VP spot and Gravel and Kucinich as the comic relief.

But then again, I was registered Republican and voted for Ron Paul, who surprised me in how little mainstream support he could muster.
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Old 10-29-2009, 05:00 PM
 
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Dennis is an idiot. the aliens he claims to seen should have abducted him and kept him.
Calling a person a name without backing it up with reasons or facts is idiotic. I think you have just embellished what Kucinich actually stated when he referred to UFO's, not aliens.
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Old 10-29-2009, 05:07 PM
 
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The lobbyists and the representatives that they own, which is sadly many on both sides of the aisle. Without campaign finance reform, what chance do we have to get some of these career politicians out of government. Which party would stand a chance when up aganst the money of the corporations?
I think we can all agree on that. Special interests have ruined politics. And each party has its own sugar daddy. And the ones who criticize special interests are hypocrites and have their own special interests that support them.

I know many who don't want to get involved with politicis because I've heard from real life politicians that it's a special interests game and dealing with lobbyists all day long. I don't think one can get elected or remain in office long if they are honest and say no to special interests.
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Old 10-29-2009, 05:12 PM
 
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Lobbyists,endorsements & money contributions have a certain influence ,
but the assumption that they are the desicive factors for any candidate's victory is urban legend...
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