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For all our evolution, human reproduction remains a primitive and haphazard process, one with no better than a 50-50 chance of success from conception. Things can and do go horribly wrong along the way, anencephaly being but one of them. Early term abortions are almost all to women with unwanted pregnancies. Late term abortions are almost all to women with very much wanted pregnancies that have failed. These are tragic and devastating events for such women and their families. They have emotionally and physically bonded with the fetus over the previous months, such that fetal demise comes as something quite comparable to the loss of a child. But all the compassion that some can muster for them in these awful hours is to condemn them as killers, and of course to remove the safest and least expensive (both emotionally and financially) medical option available to them. These mindless, heartless, soulless interlopers know not the senseless cruelty that they do.
They have emotionally and physically bonded with the fetus over the previous months, such that fetal demise comes as something quite comparable to the loss of a child. But all the compassion that some can muster for them in these awful hours is to condemn them as killers, and of course to remove the safest and least expensive (both emotionally and financially) medical option available to them. These mindless, heartless, soulless interlopers know not the senseless cruelty that they do.
First of all, not all late term abortions are medically necessary. If the fetus has a condition that will result in it's death a short while after birth, it makes no sense and is mindless, heartless and soulless to perform an abortion. The child will die anyway, there is no danger to the mother in going through with the birth, what is the reason for the abortion?
If the reason is, "so the child won't suffer", I can't think of anything more painful and horrific than being ripped to shreds, being born feet first so a doctor can crush the skull and suck the brains out.
At least if the child is allowed to be born, the pain it is enduring from its condition can be controlled with medicine, allowing a peaceful, natural death.
Now, if you say the partial birth, or late term abortion is needed to save the life of the mother, think about it for a second. In order for the doctor to get to the skull to crush and suck the brains out, the child is 90% born, meaning only the head partially remains in the birth canal. If no harm has occurred to the mother at this point, what harm would happen if the head was allowed to pass, unharmed and whole? None.
It is a matter of convenience only, so the "parent" doesn't have to deal with the care of a fetus that will son be dead, but is racking up a big bill until it does die.
There is a reason they don't take these babies by cesarean section - once out of the womb, they are now human. As long as the head is still in the birth canal, somehow that definition, thought up by some heartless, soulless leftist, has made it OK to murder.
How can you support the morning after pill and be pro-choice? The morning after pill also causes the body to reject the fertilized egg ... what is the difference?
first im pro life. The morning after pill works before the cell implants itself into the womb. The fetus does not start developing until implantation.
For all our evolution, human reproduction remains a primitive and haphazard process, one with no better than a 50-50 chance of success from conception. Things can and do go horribly wrong along the way, anencephaly being but one of them. Early term abortions are almost all to women with unwanted pregnancies. Late term abortions are almost all to women with very much wanted pregnancies that have failed. These are tragic and devastating events for such women and their families. They have emotionally and physically bonded with the fetus over the previous months, such that fetal demise comes as something quite comparable to the loss of a child. But all the compassion that some can muster for them in these awful hours is to condemn them as killers, and of course to remove the safest and least expensive (both emotionally and financially) medical option available to them. These mindless, heartless, soulless interlopers know not the senseless cruelty that they do.
They are killers. Abortion kills the baby -- that's what it's meant to do. Getting rid of "less than perfect" babies by abortion means you kill them because they aren't perfect. If you're worried the baby is going to die like in the case of anencephaly, you don't need to have it killed, the baby will die on it's own.
So if an eleven year old is pregnant by her father(ya, I'm sure Repubs say she asked for it or she should've just kept her legs together) then
YOU believe she should have to have that baby?
A woman is raped and YOU believe she should have the baby if she ends up pregnant?
I think rather than allowing rape of children and "solving" that problem by killing their babies, rape of children should be treated as a crime. Since abortion was made legal, child abuse and rape went up, unwed pregnancy is way up, poverty is up.
All the promises the pro-abortion side made didn't pan out.
For all our evolution, human reproduction remains a primitive and haphazard process, one with no better than a 50-50 chance of success from conception. Things can and do go horribly wrong along the way, anencephaly being but one of them. Early term abortions are almost all to women with unwanted pregnancies. Late term abortions are almost all to women with very much wanted pregnancies that have failed. These are tragic and devastating events for such women and their families. They have emotionally and physically bonded with the fetus over the previous months, such that fetal demise comes as something quite comparable to the loss of a child. But all the compassion that some can muster for them in these awful hours is to condemn them as killers, and of course to remove the safest and least expensive (both emotionally and financially) medical option available to them. These mindless, heartless, soulless interlopers know not the senseless cruelty that they do.
Though I am pro choice for the first four months of pregnancy, I'm willing to call it a crime, with specific punishment, if the abortion is done subsequent to that period. The only exception I would allow would be medical, for the mom or kid (what constitutes "medical" would need to be specifically debated and defined in legal documents).
I kind of disagree with you here though Sag, I think that your statement about late term abortions is speculation on your part.
First of all, not all late term abortions are medically necessary.
Then they would be crimes under the laws of virtually every state.
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If the fetus has a condition that will result in it's death a short while after birth, it makes no sense and is mindless, heartless and soulless to perform an abortion. The child will die anyway, there is no danger to the mother in going through with the birth, what is the reason for the abortion?
Anything from the probable death of the mother from attemtping to deliver to the abject senselessness of forcing women to go through the physical and emotional trauma of carrying and delivering a dead baby.
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If the reason is, "so the child won't suffer", I can't think of anything more painful and horrific than being ripped to shreds, being born feet first so a doctor can crush the skull and suck the brains out.
How about having your head squashed and stretched by brute force into all manner of shapes and sizes. That's what happens during natural birth. Until quite late in term, fetuses do not have even the rudimentray hardware in place to experience what you or I would recognize as pain. Even the cry that a newborn lets out when spanked is not a reaction to pain. It is a simple startle response. The concept of "fetal pain" is primarily a product of political propaganda designed to take advantage of an exaggerated sense of anthropomorphism.
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At least if the child is allowed to be born, the pain it is enduring from its condition can be controlled with medicine, allowing a peaceful, natural death.
And this would make you -- an outside interloper -- feel better, so women everywhere must do as you wish them to do. This is evidence of certain moral shortcomings on your part.
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Now, if you say the partial birth, or late term abortion is needed to save the life of the mother, think about it for a second. In order for the doctor to get to the skull to crush and suck the brains out, the child is 90% born, meaning only the head partially remains in the birth canal. If no harm has occurred to the mother at this point, what harm would happen if the head was allowed to pass, unharmed and whole? None.
One of the actual medical terms for the procedure is intrauterine cranial decompression. This is because the fetal head remains within the uterus until it has been reduced to a size that can pass safely through the birth canal. Various of the deformations that lead to late-term abortions in fact involve a fetal cranial size so large as to condemn any woman who tried to deliver it.
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It is a matter of convenience only, so the "parent" doesn't have to deal with the care of a fetus that will son be dead, but is racking up a big bill until it does die.
No, these are typically procedures that are undergone only as an absolute last resort, and only after long and painful discussions of the situation between a woman and her doctor and other advisors. Again, you are willing to pass judgment upon other women while knowing nothing of their situation and condition whatsoever. You are a perhaps well-meaning, but nevertheless evil menace to the well-being of women everywhere.
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There is a reason they don't take these babies by cesarean section - once out of the womb, they are now human. As long as the head is still in the birth canal, somehow that definition, thought up by some heartless, soulless leftist, has made it OK to murder.
LOL. Caesarian section is major abdominal surgery. Any doctor who recommended a c-section over an IDX would be laughed out of the profession.
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