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Old 11-05-2009, 11:07 PM
 
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When the Obama administration proposed canceling a host of expensive weapons systems last spring, some of the military industry’s allies in Congress assumed, as they had in the past, that they would have the final say.

But as the president signed a $680 billion military policy bill on Wednesday, it was clear that he had succeeded in paring back nearly all of the programs and setting a tone of greater restraint than the Pentagon had seen in many years.
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Once the Senate voted in July to stop buying F-22s, Mr. Emanuel said in an interview, that success “reverberated down” to help sustain billions of dollars of cuts in Army modernization, missile defense and other programs.
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Mr. Obama has said that he does not intend to reduce military spending while the nation is engaged in two wars. But Mr. Gates also wants to cut more futuristic programs to free money for simpler systems like helicopters and unmanned spy planes that can help the troops now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/bu...29defense.html
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Old 11-05-2009, 11:17 PM
 
Location: North Las Vegas
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When will all of you folks who love to bash military spending understand.... the weapons being bought today are to be used in future conflicts, not today's conflicts. Scraping projects designed to provide newer and better weapon systems should never stop, the main reason the military of the United States is so damn good is that we have the best weapons!

Sure you can buy lots of older weapons and use them now, but what happens when you need an advanced fighter system and you are stuck using old out dated equipment? You lose planes and more important you lose lives!
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Old 11-05-2009, 11:30 PM
 
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When will all of you folks who love to bash military spending understand.... the weapons being bought today are to be used in future conflicts, not today's conflicts. Scraping projects designed to provide newer and better weapon systems should never stop, the main reason the military of the United States is so damn good is that we have the best weapons!

Sure you can buy lots of older weapons and use them now, but what happens when you need an advanced fighter system and you are stuck using old out dated equipment? You lose planes and more important you lose lives!
Tell it to Sec Gates. I think he knows better than we do what's necessary and what's not necessary right now.

Dont you like that Obama is cutting spending?
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Old 11-05-2009, 11:43 PM
 
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Dont you like that Obama is cutting spending?
Did you even read your own sentence? Think about it for a minute.
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Old 11-06-2009, 12:12 AM
 
Location: North Las Vegas
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Tell it to Sec Gates. I think he knows better than we do what's necessary and what's not necessary right now.

Dont you like that Obama is cutting spending?
Remember that the Sec. of Defense is a political appointment. At no time can you say that a political appointee will ever know what is best for the military. It's the guys doing the fighting today and those who are getting those who will fight tomorrow that knows what we need.

And the words Obama and cutting spending just don't go together.
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Old 11-06-2009, 12:18 AM
 
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We spend 50% of World military spending with just 20% of World GDP. ( Iran the current right wing boogey man spends 1% what we do)

That's a hallmark of a declining empire.

Another factoid.

If we could reduce this $680 Billion yearly bill by just 8% it would pay for the additional revenue needed for the current Health care bill.
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:09 AM
 
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Did you even read your own sentence? Think about it for a minute.
What facts do you have about spending?
What has the media told you?
What do you think you know?

You've likely been fed BS by right wing media.
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Old 11-06-2009, 01:16 AM
 
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Full list of cuts is here
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2010/assets/trs.pdf (broken link)
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Old 11-06-2009, 02:47 AM
 
Location: Earth
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When will all of you folks who love to bash military spending understand.... the weapons being bought today are to be used in future conflicts, not today's conflicts. Scraping projects designed to provide newer and better weapon systems should never stop, the main reason the military of the United States is so damn good is that we have the best weapons!

Sure you can buy lots of older weapons and use them now, but what happens when you need an advanced fighter system and you are stuck using old out dated equipment? You lose planes and more important you lose lives!

Considering that I work around the military, I can assure you that you don't know very much about the military and spending.
What happens when we waste billions of dollars on defense contractors for pie in the sky garbage that they can't deliver?

Why do we have to have the best weaponry in the world?
It's bankrupting our country.
We already have enough weaponry to kill everyone numerous times over.

I'd rather live in a country focused on peace than minding other countries business and killing based on our own desires.
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:17 AM
 
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What facts do you have about spending?
What has the media told you?
What do you think you know?

You've likely been fed BS by right wing media.
Oh Please. Take your nonsense and assumptions elsewhere. I'm just not in the mood today. I'm sure you believe the rhetoric because quite frankly, some folks are quite impressionable. It's fairly clear from your response that you don't even understand my point and today I really don't have time for yet another adult (as you no doubt claim) remedial reading comprehension class.
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