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Old 12-14-2009, 02:30 PM
 
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Spent some time today reading about the Holocene Maximum and 100k year cycles and 20K year cycles and historic CO2 levels.

It was quite interesting.

did you know for most of Earths history, the CO2 Level has been above 1200ppm (Now at 380ppm).

Did you know that we are 18k years into a 15k to 20k period between Ice Ages?

did you know that the Holocene Maximum (9k to 5K years ago) was vastly warmer than today with a CO2 Level somewhere around 250ppm.
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Old 12-14-2009, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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did you know for most of Earths history, the CO2 Level has been above 1200ppm (Now at 380ppm).
Did you know that for most of Earth's history, the climate was inhospitable to life?
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Old 12-14-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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Did you know that for most of Earth's history, the climate was inhospitable to life?
then let me restate, did you know that during most of the earths history in which both Flora and Fauna developed, the CO2 level was above 1200ppm?


There is that better?
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Old 12-14-2009, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Did you know that for most of Earth's history, the climate was inhospitable to life?
Yup, damn human activity!!!
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:19 PM
 
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then let me restate, did you know that during most of the earths history in which both Flora and Fauna developed, the CO2 level was above 1200ppm?


There is that better?
That's slightly better. But still pretty meaningless. For much of that time the flora and fauna that you are talking about amounted to little more than ameoba. It took a few million years of work by cyanobacteria to create enough oxygen to support more complex life. Humans have been around for 160,000 yrs or so. So the vast amount of time when our environment was inhospitable to intelligent life is more of a warning to us than anything else.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:29 PM
 
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Nothing. And you look silly even contemplating such stupidity.
Why are you covering for these people?

It's beginning to appear that global warming researchers were intentionally trying to make the data fit a predetermined scenario that man was responsible for global warming, and the more dire their predictions the more money the U.N. shoved their way. If these scientists were "tricking" the data to fit their hypothesis, that's called criminal fraud.

Do you really think scientists can't be corrupted by money? You can call it silly all you want, but the researchers at CRU could be in very serious trouble.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:55 PM
 
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Why are you covering for these people?
Not covering for them. I've just read the sentences from the stolen emails. They aren't damning in the least (except for people who are predisposed to deny AGW).

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It's beginning to appear that global warming researchers were intentionally trying to make the data fit a predetermined scenario that man was responsible for global warming, and the more dire their predictions the more money the U.N. shoved their way. If these scientists were "tricking" the data to fit their hypothesis, that's called criminal fraud.
No, it's not beginning to look like that at all. And "trick" in the context of the email means exactly what thousands of scientists say it means: "technique." He was describing a statistical method to remove one part of one set of data because it diverged from every other source of data. And since that deviation was inexplicable, he removed it. Every other source of data showed rising temperatures. Only the tree ring data didn't, and only after 1960. When scientists discover the cause of that deviation, they will either be justified in removing that data, or will have to revise their projections somehow.

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Do you really think scientists can't be corrupted by money? You can call it silly all you want, but the researchers at CRU could be in very serious trouble.
Nope. They're not in trouble at all.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:59 PM
 
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That's slightly better. But still pretty meaningless. For much of that time the flora and fauna that you are talking about amounted to little more than ameoba. It took a few million years of work by cyanobacteria to create enough oxygen to support more complex life. Humans have been around for 160,000 yrs or so. So the vast amount of time when our environment was inhospitable to intelligent life is more of a warning to us than anything else.

what a goof ball.

then lets narrow it down to post Triassic (even though man could very well have survived in the atmosphere of the Triassice).

from 200 million years ago to now, all of which was a period that humans could have survived in that atmosphere, the CO2 level was above 1000 ppm for most of the period.
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:13 PM
 
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what a goof ball.

then lets narrow it down to post Triassic (even though man could very well have survived in the atmosphere of the Triassice).

from 200 million years ago to now, all of which was a period that humans could have survived in that atmosphere, the CO2 level was above 1000 ppm for most of the period.
You're the one being imprecise in your language. Every point you've made up until now has made no sense. And you want to blame someone else? You want to call names?

Perhaps it's time that you post your source, as you appear to be completely incapable of interpreting the data, or of understanding the ramifications.
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:36 PM
 
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You're the one being imprecise in your language. Every point you've made up until now has made no sense. And you want to blame someone else? You want to call names?

Perhaps it's time that you post your source, as you appear to be completely incapable of interpreting the data, or of understanding the ramifications.
Were you that girl in the video that Monckton was interviewing? I think so..
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