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Old 12-29-2009, 06:25 PM
 
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Not even 1 full year in office and the moronic public act like ADD children. Sounds like the ones who expected jesus are the Obama bashers surprised he has not fixed all of Washington's problems in the first year of his presidency. What a bunch of fools.
Are you suggesting that this country should expect at least 25% of the elected term in the office of POTUS be spent as a "learning curve" for Obama? His cabinet as well? No Obama is not Jesus; at least Jesus, as the son of a carpenter, could build a cabinet!
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Old 12-29-2009, 06:41 PM
 
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Sounds like the ones who expected jesus are the Obama bashers surprised he has not fixed all of Washington's problems in the first year of his presidency. What a bunch of fools.

Fixed? Hell, I'd have been delighted if he simply didn't add to the problems in D.C.. We're only a year in....I'm afraid what things are going to look like next December.
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Old 12-29-2009, 06:53 PM
 
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We were headed for a second Great Depression a year ago. Thanks to this administration, it didn't happen.

Keep whining, haters.
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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..yeah, because one person is capable of snapping his fingers and changing Washington over night. Washington is human nature. It's not going to change. That's what politics is.

So, how about a bit of a mature perspective on how politics works. You've gotta play within the system and if others aren't willing to change, they can't be forced. He also tried to be a bridge builder between ideologies, but the Republicans decided to block ANY health care reform because they knew it would help him. They played politics with our lives and were rightfully left behind.

Whatever you want to say about Obama, he's averted a depression, is ending the Iraq debacle, has built bridges to nations never before imagined, has made the greatest step toward providing health care for all since the 1930s, and is on his way to being one heck of a good president, just like Reagan was. Many parallels between the two, even though they draw on different ideologies.
Fly, is there a chance that you might read that link that I started this thread with? You did just what I thought the first lefty in here would do. You came stomping in without reading any of the article. How do you talk intelligently about something like this without even knowing what is going on?
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Your're right some of us won't read it, me included. American Thinker is an outrageous name for a right wing soapbox aimed at right wingnuts who either refuse, or simply can't think for themselves.
But you can think for yourself and know what was said there without reading any of it. I think that you just aren't ever going to know what is going on since you refuse to do anything but *** on and on about something you know nothing about.
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:07 PM
 
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I rest my case ^
You rest your case which seems to me to be admitting defeat without reading what was in there. I think that it is time for you to get yourself to the article and find one thing said about Obama that is not true. I guess you know that it is all untrue since it didn't come from Kos.
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:11 PM
 
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Yes, you have missed something - quite a few somethings, in fact. To address your specfic assertions:

1. Anybody elevated to the head of a party could be accused of being "a puppet". Some maintain their sense of individuality and make decisions that counter the party (Obama) and others cave to their party's every demand and ruin their chances of true leadership (McCain).

2. Deficit spending and stimuli are tactics used by every developed nation in a recession. Every single one enacted the same basic policies as Obama and, lo and behold, we're in full recovery.

3. Obama promised - repeatedly - to ramp up the war in Afghanistan. If you're going to hold a fulfilled campaign promise against him, then I'm not sure how capable you are of objective analysis. Most Americans support his surge.

4. He is the first to admit he has not yet earned his Nobel prize. So what's your point? Just another right wing hit job? Not like he nominated himself or asked to be chosen.

5. Most opposition to this health care bill is actually coming from the left due to concessions made to axe the public option (something a majority of Americans supported). It's not reform people oppose (who could ever support our anti-life health care system?) but this particular compromise. The American Medical Association supports the bill.

6. Anybody who seeks presidency is egotistical. Sorry to break it to you. Sarah Palin is a ball of ego, McCain was, Romney is, Clinton, Bush, etc... So, irrelevant charge. The rest is just an opinion you have been told. He's far from naive by any objective measure and has certainly done far more than bring negative change.

I'm sorry you disagree with his policies, so you think he's a failure, but he's not. His approval is identical to Reagan, who adopted a very similar situation (only Reagan's was created by failed policies of the left rather than Obama's adoption of failed policies of the right).

Please be more respectful of your president in the future. After all, odds are that you voted for Bush twice, so credibility in judging strong presidents must be weighted in that light.

God bless.
Why don't you lower yourself enough to read the link I posted and then tell us which parts are untrue. I see not one word in your post that talks about the link and I asked people to agree or disagree. How can you disagree when you don't even know what is there?
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:13 PM
 
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Not even 1 full year in office and the moronic public act like ADD children. Sounds like the ones who expected jesus are the Obama bashers surprised he has not fixed all of Washington's problems in the first year of his presidency. What a bunch of fools.
Go ahead and read the article and tell us which parts of it are not true. You are just wanting to think that Obama is being bashed but the article had many points that could have been untrue but not one lib here has taken the trouble to write about one of them. That tells me something.
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Default All non-link reading liberals.

I know none of you will read this post but in case one of you does let me tell you some of what the article said. The man said that "Obama is cynic wrapped in a hypocrite inside a bully." Then he went on to explain all that in three sections.

Not all of the cynic section says:

Obama defined his campaign with high-sounding rhetoric that "[his] rival in this race is not other candidates, but cynicism." The line resonated and soon became his mantra.

He later asked us to fight cynicism and revealingly told us that cynics believe they are smarter than everyone else. To this it could be said that Obama knows what that is like.

Could there be anything more cynical than to look upon Americans as being too forgetful to remember all the broken promises Obama made?

These include -- but are not limited to -- a promise that there would be no health care mandates (there are); that he would take a scalpel to the budget and bring down the deficit (headed towards the stratosphere as he rewards his own special interest groups); and that he would end earmarks (his spending bills are polluted by them; he is, after all, a Chicago politician).

He promised to close Gitmo -- not a done deal, and like many deadlines he promised, no one is sure when or if this will happen.

He promised the end of partisanship, but he has stoked it to a roaring blaze with his refusal to work with Republicans. He promised to end our wars, but now he is sending more forces into Afghanistan.

He stated that he would fight the gay marriage ban, but instead he ended up supporting it, in effect, by defending the Defense of Marriage Act.

He promised the most transparent administration in history, but instead he imposes layers of secrecy and invokes executive powers to cloak his administration from scrutiny (e.g., his use of executive privilege to protect Desiree Rogers, his social secretary, from questioning regarding the WhiteHouseGate-crashers).


Surely there is something in all that that is untrue. Surely a real liberal could tear all that apart, yet not one has tried to talk about any part of it. I would be very happy to discuss just this small part with any of you that want to discuss this instead of what you think was there without reading any of it.
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Old 12-30-2009, 05:08 AM
 
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Please be more respectful of your president in the future. After all, odds are that you voted for Bush twice, so credibility in judging strong presidents must be weighted in that light.

God bless.
You are entitled to your opinion of his accomplishments, but many of us see the accomplishments you have stated as slanted fantasy.
Respect is earned, not arbitrally given. He has yet to earn my respect.
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