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Old 01-05-2010, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati, OH
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National Parks aside, there is an enormous amount of property that is owned and manged by the Federal Government. If it were all parkland, that's fine, but why is the US Government in the forestry business? The coal business? The oil business? The solar energy business?

Why are there such a multitude of government organizations lording over these properties? If the reason is for environmental management, it could just as easily be accomplished with environmental protection laws. How did the Federal Government come to own the properties to begin with? Wouldn't you expect unoccupied land to belong to the state governments?
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Old 01-05-2010, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Wouldn't you expect unoccupied land to belong to the state governments?
Only in states that pre-date the federal government. There are two classes of states.
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Old 01-05-2010, 04:11 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Reminds me of a quote from Jefferson about waking up homeless in our own country if we let the banks control our money and economy...
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Old 01-05-2010, 04:24 PM
 
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I think its already done. How else did we borrow 2 trillion $, secured it with our public lands. RP
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Old 01-05-2010, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati, OH
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Reminds me of a quote from Jefferson about waking up homeless in our own country if we let the banks control our money and economy...
I think that he was referring to the (First) Bank of the United States. Jefferson was an adamant opponent of the government bank.
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:59 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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I think that he was referring to the (First) Bank of the United States. Jefferson was an adamant opponent of the government bank.
The federal reserve does what that bank did, times 10, today. He hated banks in general, he saw what they did in Europe...
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Old 01-06-2010, 10:40 AM
 
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You are being facetious, aren't you? Selling off our common heritage to foreign countries is simply blasphemous! That would be like selling Yosemite National Park to Disney World.
I'm deadly serious. I know it's a bitter pill to swallow, but how else does the USA raise roughly 50-100 TRILLION dollars to pay its debts that will accrue over the next 50 years? Will China continue to loan us the money? Do we have any other means to pay off our debts at present? And please, none of this silly stuff, "balance our budget and spend within our means" We're already decades past that.
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Old 01-06-2010, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The Federal Gov't owns roughly 650,000,000 acres of land

Printable Maps - Federal Lands

There are roughly eight buildable lots in each acre (43,560 sqft. divided by 5,000 sqft. = 8)

Some acreage is prime land (Cali, seaboard, etc) worth millions of dollars an acre, other land is not (worth maybe 10k to 50 per lot) so let's take 50k as the average worth of these roughly 5,200,000,000 buildable lots owned by the Federal gov't. That works out to $260 TRILLION Dollars in value. It's time the Federal gov't started selling off some of its land to China, Japan and our other creditors, (who would gladly take it for their citizens and corporations to immigrate here and then build houses and factories) in exchange for our debt.
Actually, the government holds the land in trust... for Americans. Whose tax money paid for the land?
Whose lives, labor and resources were used to acquire, possess and manage them?

Perhaps, the government can sell the land directly to AMERICANS, but not to foreigners.

FWIW - the national debt, in excess of 12 trillions, is impossible to pay, pursuant to law, mathematics, and common sense.

Do not make the mistake of assuming that a dollar bill is the same as a dollar.
A constitutional unit dollar is a silver coin - see Coinage Act of 1792, et seq. And a one ounce gold coin is equivalent to 20 unit dollars.

A Federal Reserve note is a promise to pay face value - see Title 12 USC Sec. 411. But Congress repudiated their promise to redeem their notes in 1933. They have had no par value ever since that time.

The current national debt translates to a legal obligation to coin 600 billion ounces of gold.
The problem is that Fort Knox depository has only 147.4 million ounces.
World wide above ground estimates of gold bullion is 5.5. billion ounces.

Oops.
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Old 01-06-2010, 10:59 AM
 
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One could see this as a solution, but then one would likely walk into walls often due to their shortsightedness.
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Old 01-06-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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So no one addressed the core issue: how do we pay off our obligations, present and future? BTW, our future obligations makes the present 12 TRILLION debt look like milk money.
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